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« on: June 18, 2006, 03:29 AM »

Not sure if this is the best place or if this would be considered Off-Topic:

Reading the thread about drummers going back on their word to subs about gigs, I had the idea to see which band members tend to be the most unreliable.  Not trying to hurt anyone's feelings, but I've noticed that lead singers seem to be the most unreliable when it comes to communicating with the band, showing up on time to gigs, etc.

Who have you found, in your experience, to be the most unreliable?

Have fun and vent a little, and Bart, if you find this poll too inappropriate, I wouldn't be offended if this thread was pulled.
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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2006, 03:32 AM »

I think it's a tie between lead singers and drummersWink

On a positive note, I find keyboard players and bass players to be pretty professional.
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2006, 04:40 AM »

Boy, is that a tough question.....I've had the worst time over the years with bass players who cancel practice or swap bands. Drummers have been accused of being unreliable for years. But not me, I've been told I'm rare because I'm a totally reliable person. An unreliable musician is someone I won't work with, no matter what the instrument. Come to think of it, I've known lead guitarists and keyboards with the same problems.... You should have had a spot for "all" of them. It takes me a while to trust musicians. Or maybe I should change that to "people in general"? It all comes back to "your standards", and how YOU were brought up. I haven't had a much of a problem with "lead singers" being unreliable. Most of the time it's "their band" I've played with.... It all comes back to your own experiences. In my case bass players may lead by a very small margin.    Undecided   Come to think of it, I've done my share of filling in for drummers who've quit or cancelled at the last minute.    Roll Eyes    I've never had that reputation and don't want to. Maybe that's why I'm still getting gigs after all these years.    Wink
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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2006, 05:25 AM »

Yes it was a tough answer, since the lead singer as I indicated was also our Rhythm guitarist. When he didn't show, it reaLLY LEFT A BIG HOLE.
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2006, 02:21 PM »

I've added a couple more options.  I think I'll leave it at that because if I added options for every combination, the poll options will go on forever.
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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2006, 11:25 PM »

So far I've had more unreliable drummers than any other band members.
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2006, 05:09 PM »

My regular band members are very reliable but when it is necessary to hire a sub and he leaves me hanging, he goes into my little black book of people never to call again.

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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2006, 04:02 AM »

I love the pianist in my band, she ALWAYS turns up RIGHT ON THE DOT

it's great.
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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2006, 07:31 AM »

Singers, singers, and singers.

If I had the chops, I'd be in an instrumental band.
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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2006, 09:56 AM »

I think it's a tie between lead singers and drummersWink

On a positive note, I find keyboard players and bass players to be pretty professional.

Actually, just a vague thought that probably has no basis whatsoever - but wannabes tend to take up guitar or the drums as opposed to bass or keys, because it's "cooler" and it helps them get the girls, etc. It's a long shot, but you could say that bassists and keyboardists didn't get in it for the glamour, and so they're really about the music.

Doesn't apply to every band, of course, but it does seem like a vaguely plausible explanation.
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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2006, 10:10 AM »

Don't take this as a sweeping generalization about all guitarists, I've worked with some pretty amazing, down-to-earth players with great big ears and tons of taste and chops.

But I've also worked with some pretty flaky guitarists over the years.  The bands I've been in have gone through more guitarists than any other player.  Its usually ego, attitude, inability to listen, inability to find a volume setting lower than 11. . .  essentially the inability to be a professional, that gets them fired.

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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2006, 09:01 AM »

After playing in a few jazz and ska bands, I find that horns (particularly trumpets) are the least reliable.  That goes for showing up on time as well as knowing/practicing their parts.

Here's a (relatively accurate) account of one ska band rehearsal...

Trumpet Player:  I can't play that high.

Me:  Could you play that high when you were in drum corps?

TP: Yeah.

Me:  Why can't you know.

TP:  'Cause I don't practice that much anymore.

Me:  <sigh>

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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2006, 11:07 PM »

Just my humble opinion here, but I really can't put any certain musician in the "unreliable" category.

Heck, in my 40 + years of playing, I'd like to think that I've seen and experienced just about all types of "unreliable" personnel, ranging from singers to guitarists to keyboard players to bass players.......and so on, you get the idea.

Does it really matter what instrument a person plays in the first place?  I don't think so.  What really matters is if the so-called "unreliable" person has his or her head on straight.  It's no different than the sound tech who says that he will have everything set up and ready to check at a certain time, only to run late and, if you are lucky, give you a quick dial-in thirty minutes before showtime, and God help you if the mix isn't right.

A person's instrument does not dictate his or her professional attitude.  It's the personal commitment to the job that really matters.  You cannot categorize it any other way.  I'm a drummer, and I take the gig in a deadly serious manner, but if I were a guitarist or a keyboard player, my attitude would be the very same.

I practice my parts and get them down cold before the gig, show up on time, have my ears open during the gig, and keep my eyes trained on the lead singer or artist.

Does it matter that I'm a drummer?  Or could I be anyone else in the band? 

Again, it's only my opinion, but you are either a responsible person, or you're not.  I don't care what instrument you play - what I care about is your attitude, period, end of story.

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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2006, 01:53 AM »

Different instruments carry with them different 'ideals' if you will. For example, drums are often accepted as an instrument of responsibility. As a drummer one is responsible for keeping the timing and such together (in the mind of an individual who has not yet chosen an instrument)

Guitar is often viewed in that it is an instrument of showman ship. You must be able to shred incredibly and play blazingly fast solos on the guitar to be proficient in the instrument (in the mind of a newbie). It is thus inherently less considerate of other members of the band.

As mentioned previously, keyboard and bass are known not to be very glorious instruments. They certainly do not receive the recognition they deserve both intellectually and as sex symbols (ok less so on the latter, they're not sex symbols at all Tongue).

Lead vocals is very similar to guitar, in that it's the most noticed, and considered the most important position in a band by newbies.

Saxophone too is also very similar to guitar.

People are likely to chose an instrument that they identify with. As with everything in life there are always exceptions (Thankfully). And things are never as black as white as i made them, i just simplified the situation to make a point.
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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2006, 07:57 AM »

I'm with drumz...it's not the instrument, it's the person. I've been lucky to have played by and large, with people who showed up, knew their parts, and were not a liability. Those that were a problem did'nt last long and that's probably why they take up so small a space in my memory.  Cool
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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2006, 10:03 AM »

I wonder if it doesn't work like this:  Whatever position is hardest to fill, that's the postion in which you'll find the most flakes. 

If drummers are in short supply in your area, you'll see more flakey people getting drum spots. 

In Toronto, vocalists who can really sing are a rare commodity.  So... if someone can really sing, they can get away with being a flake.  Guitarists, on the other hand, are a dime a dozen.  If a guitarist is a flake he can be replaced in about two minutes.
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« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2006, 01:20 PM »

Guitarists, in my experience, can be on the flakier side.  If the person in question is a lead singer/guitarist, it's 50 times as bad.  I'm not really sure why.  It's really on a case-by-case basis, though---I've known knuckleheads of many kinds, including string players. 



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