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« on: June 30, 2006, 11:31 AM »

A couple of years ago, I started to enact a plan to realize my dream of becoming a full-time professional drummer.  I put these dreams on hold (bad idea) to get a "real job" (really bad idea.)  I've been stagnating lately and longing for something more.  I've decided to take the advice of my former drum teacher and "get the heck out of Chattanooga".

I have two employment options that I would like some advice on, preferably from fellow musicians that have relevant experience in these areas.

One of my plans is to get a job playing on a cruise ship...however, there are extenuating circumstances that will prevent me from doing this for 1-3 years...that's too long.

My other idea, and the one that need the most advice on, is to audition for a band at Disney World.  I've searched their Web site up and down for several days, but I still can't find anything specific.  It says that they hold auditions bi-monthly and that I should prepare three one-minutes pieces of music that are technical, lyric and improvisational in nature.

I have talked at length with professionals in the music biz.  I am clean-cut, well spoken and professional.  I am always set up and ready to play at least a half hour before every gig.  I am an excellent sight reader and I've been in many situations where I've had to play a gig with little preparation.  I also think I have the chops and the musicianship to play in these situations.

What I would like to know is...what exactly are they looking for?  Are there any specific pieces I should prepare?  Should I play solo or with a recording?  Also, if I'm offered a job...what does it pay?  What will my days be like?  How often will I rehearse/perform?

This is my dream...any help/advice is welcome.

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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2006, 11:42 AM »

I've played at Disney and Epcot for couple of years back in the early 80's. It's nice work if you can get it, but it's VERY competitive.

You need to be able to read extremely well, know a wide range of styles, and be comfortable playing with a clicktrack. For some gigs you'd need special skills like marching/rudimental drumming, dixieland, etc.

Do some digging and find out who books their talent - they probably have an Entertainment Director or some such thing. Then make contact with him or her, and try to find out exactly what they need. You'll need a resume and a good demo CD, too, I would imagine.

Be aware that it's a union gig. Sometimes they post audition notices merely as a formality, having already decided who's going to get the gig.

Also be aware it's a very strict environment in terms of your personal grooming and appearance, as well as your behavior when you're onstage. Some musicians find that constraining. But it can be a great gig. Good luck!
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2006, 03:32 PM »

Do you have any goals beyond Disney?
I ask, because a gig like that is usually a stepping stone to better things.
If you haven't got what it takes (mentally and financially) to move on to better things, a gig at Disneyworld might seem like a hollow victory after a couple of years.
You've already nixed the cruise ship plan, so you really only have one option currently.
I've found flexibility and a certain selfishness are probably key to a career in music.
I'm worried that you are assuming you'd be a happy pro if you got the Disney gig.
Try thinking beyond it, before you decide to go for the audition.
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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2006, 07:04 PM »

I've played drums for a living, and I've played drums just for fun, and from my experience, playing drums just for fun can be more fun than playing drums for a living - although usually playing drums just for fun doesn't pay very well, and sometimes playing drums for a living can be great fun!  Smiley

I guess what I'm trying to say is do what you feel is best for you at this stage of your life, and whatever you do, have some fun! Smiley

Best wishes!
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2006, 07:31 PM »

Phew.
Sometimes you can have too much fun.  Wink
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2006, 12:44 PM »

Phew.
Sometimes you can have too much fun.  Wink

Yeh Chris, "Fun" can be overrated and sometimes deadly! I think sex, drugs, and rock-and-roll went out with the movie "Spinal Tap" didn't it?  Smiley

I'm actually speaking of pursuing contentment, satisfaction, happiness in one's work and life -- however we define those things for ourselves.

If someone likes doing the Disney gig, more power to 'em! I admire and respect their skill and professionalism. Playing in that chair requires versatility and very high level technical skills. It could also be an outstanding stepping-stone to other opportunities, as with Mr. Acrolite.

However, personally, I'd suffocate doing that gig! Like Rick Nelson sang in "Garden Party" -- "I'd rather drive a truck."

Anyway Adam, I'd just say be really clear within yourself on the reasons you want the gig, and if you really want it, go for it!  Cool

In addition to Mr. A's suggestions, you could try contacting Disney's HR department (Human Resources); they should have specific requirements and qualifications for every job in the park, including musicians, as well as a list of materials you will need to submit, e.g., resume, bio, audio and/or video clip, etc..., and proceedures to follow for auditioning.

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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2006, 04:34 PM »

Just for the record, I was making a gentle joke about the amount of times you used the word.
I agree that it's good to have fun in your work.
I agree with you too, that the Disney gig would stifle me after a while.
But then I've done a lot of stifling gigs over the years - to meet some other musicians, or just to be playing rather than sitting by the phone.
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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2006, 05:56 PM »

Hey Chris, yeh, I realized you were kidding  Wink and just for the record, I was intentionally repeating the word fun just for fun.  Cool
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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2006, 11:25 AM »

Sometimes they post audition notices merely as a formality, having already decided who's going to get the gig.
I live just a few miles from a very famous mall in Minnesota (MOA)....A few years ago I spotted an add in the newspaper for open auditions as part of their regular musicians who play for a variety of activities. They are also the same musicians who play at an amusement park open during the summer months. After some investigation I realized they use the same "young" musicians year after year. I was the oldest one to audition, and being the inquisitive person I am I had a private conversation with the gal from the HR Department. Come to find out the newspaper add was just a formality. They already had their band picked.... She said I had a good audition, but insinuated my "age" was a consideration. But she wouldn't state that outright.  Roll Eyes  I find your statement to be very true for those types of gigs. I probably could have instigated a descrimination lawsuit, but we all know the only ones that win in those type of court battles are the lawyers. So, be aware that events of that type are a good gig "if" you can "bump" one of their staple players. Just the same, don't let me discourage you from trying. I'm just stating what happened to me.   Wink  The only consolation I have is knowing those people at some point will be my age and face the same problem.   Grin
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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2006, 02:00 PM »

I appreciate all the advice.

I would hope this gig (if I should be so lucky to get it) would be a stepping stone to greater things, but I'm not sure the direction that I'd want to go after that.

I haven't totally nixed the cruise ship idea.  The reason that I'm not doing that yet is that I'm in a very serious relationship with a registered nurse.  Her career goal is to work as a nurse on a cruise ship, however, they usually require you to have anywhere from one to three years of experience...and her first day as an RN was yesterday.  I guess the Disney gig could be a stepping stone to the cruise ship gig, but that would probably be more of a step to the side (or back even...)

I'll probably be contacting the HR department at Disney in the next month or two to see what it is I'd have to do to audition.  I'll keep you all posted if anything comes of it.  I sincerely believe that I'm qualified (eleven years of marching band, fifteen years of constant private lessons on drumset and orchestral percussion, four years of high school jazz band and five years of college jazz band)...and this has been a dream of mine since high school.

Even so...wish me luck, I'm sure I'll need all I can get.

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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2006, 02:18 PM »

The advantage of a Disney gig is that you make NICE money and typically still have time for other gigs. Particularly if you're in Disneyland, that means you're near LA, earning a solid living, and available to audition for other LA gigs. That was why I started at Disney in Orlando, with the intent of then trying to transfer to Disneyland in California. Sergio Gonzalez, drummer for Keb Mo and others, did just that - he's the one who inspired me to audition, in hopes of winning his old gig and following his footsteps. As it was, I got picked up by a road band a couple years later, and it took me on a different path. But it still seemed like a good starting strategy.

Chad Wackerman was doing a Disneyland gig when he won the Zappa audition. And I just recently read about another major young drummer who also cut his teeth at Disney - his name escapes me.

For those of you who think this gig would suck, don't underestimate the skill required for this gig. In my career, I'd say my Disney audition was the toughest one I've ever done - grueling sight-reading while playing to a constantly changing clicktrack and leading the band who were listening only to me, not the click. And the musicians I played with there were for the most part topnotch, many of them from the finest music schools in the country. Like I said, it is VERY competitive.
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2006, 04:45 PM »

Actually Adam, your plan sounds fine.
If you and your partner were both employed on the same cruise ship, I don't think that would be a sideways step.
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2006, 06:50 PM »

Chad Wackerman was doing a Disneyland gig when he won the Zappa audition. And I just recently read about another major young drummer who also cut his teeth at Disney - his name escapes me.

Josh Freese?
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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2006, 06:57 PM »

I was in a position like yours a couple of years ago sans girlfriend, and I opted to do ships because I was tired of plugging away at 2.5 day jobs just to pay Toronto's exorbitant rental rates and pick up what gigs I could. So now I'm in the opposite position - I've been working on ships for awhile, I now have a girlfriend who also works ships, but I'm completely at a loss for what I'm going to do when we stop working ships. The money's good, the life is easy, I get to play everyday (though I don't get to shed as much as I'd like) and frankly, I'm not sure how I'm going to adjust to life on land. I'm finding out just how difficult it can be to use this gig as a stepping stone. The problem is simple - it's 1000 miles away from everywhere.... Wink
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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2006, 07:32 PM »

I was in a position like yours a couple of years ago sans girlfriend, and I opted to do ships because I was tired of plugging away at 2.5 day jobs just to pay Toronto's exorbitant rental rates and pick up what gigs I could. So now I'm in the opposite position - I've been working on ships for awhile, I now have a girlfriend who also works ships, but I'm completely at a loss for what I'm going to do when we stop working ships. The money's good, the life is easy, I get to play everyday (though I don't get to shed as much as I'd like) and frankly, I'm not sure how I'm going to adjust to life on land. I'm finding out just how difficult it can be to use this gig as a stepping stone. The problem is simple - it's 1000 miles away from everywhere.... Wink

Yeah, I don't know that a cruise gig is a great stepping stone per se, but it is a great chance to save money for your next step, whatever it may be. Plus, it's just a cool experience. I still cherish the year I spent at sea.
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« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2006, 07:43 PM »

I don't know what it's like now, but quite a few of the best musicians I was at college with (in the UK) did a couple of years cruising early on.
I don't think it lead to anything, but it was great experience for them, learning to be professional, reliable and getting to play every day. Being from the UK, they also found it great experience to check out the cream of local musicians on the Caribean islands (Jamaica, Cuba etc), plus they hung out in jazz clubs in Miami and New York on their days off.
I learnt a lot about solid pop drumming in my time in a dance hall covers band.
At the time we might play anything out of the top 40, like Boston, Gary Moore, Clapton, Chic, Stevie Wonder etc.
I mean, you just don't get that wide a professional experience playing in a local originals band or jamming with friends.
I like Mr Acrolite's take on the California Disney gigs. If that caliber of drummer has emerged from a gig like that, imagine the other musicians you might meet (keyboard players, guitarists etc).
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« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2006, 11:39 PM »

Yeah, I don't know that a cruise gig is a great stepping stone per se, but it is a great chance to save money for your next step, whatever it may be. Plus, it's just a cool experience. I still cherish the year I spent at sea.

All very true. It has done what I wanted it to do: boost my chops, earn me some money, and take me to some interesting places (and some not-so-interesting ones, too)...oh, and get me out of those Canadian winters. Did I mention I met a great girl?

OTOH, I've hit a glass ceiling of sorts. For a number of reasons, it's best for my girlfriend and I to stay with the company we're with at the moment. But, this company seems to have something against promoting anyone but piano players to the Musical Director's gig. I've run bands in the past, and would like the extra bread and the nice single cabin, but alas, I play the wrong instrument, apparently... Enough complaining. I suppose I should get myself a $0.90 beer and relax before the next show... Wink
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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2006, 12:19 PM »

In my previous post, I didn't mean to suggest that I thought the Disney gig would suck. It's just not something that I personally would enjoy. And, frankly, I would never have even passed the audition; I never was technically good enough or versatile enough, or a good enough reader for the demands of that gig. And yes, there are great players who've done the Disney gig, but it's only one of an infinite number of paths one could follow, and whichever path one chooses will have upsides and downsides.

This topic -- making career choices -- strikes close to my heart, so I thought I'd share a little of my experience. For better or worse, my choices led me away from drums and music for @ 15 years.

Playing seriously from the age of nine, in my late teens I was in an originals rock band, going full-out pursuing the dream of touring and recording. We got some interest, but long story short, it didn't take off, and disbanded after a few years. (One of my bandmates went on to eventually become a multi-$millionaire as a producer, with several number one pop hits, but that's another story.) From there I went into a top-notch cover band and played clubs all over the western U.S., and up into Canada. For a few years it was good, but I grew to dislike playing cover songs, plus, there are "issues" that arise as a working club musician on the road... again, that's another story....

So after a lot of soul-searching, I quit playing and went to college; earned a degree and went to work in a corporate life; got married; had a child; bought a house and two cars... ya-da, ya-da, ya-da....

Fast forward... I'm now in my late 40's and only began playing drums again just a few years ago, after my Dad passed away.

Like everyone, I have a few regrets, but much more for which to be grateful. One thing's for certain: my life didn't turn out as I had planned when I was a young man. Which reminds me of an old line: "If you want to make God chuckle, tell him YOUR plans!" Smiley

What I'm trying to say is we should enjoy the journey while we pursue our goals... work hard... be reliable and professional... be good-hearted and generous... find joy and have fun along the way. That way you will have a good life, wherever your road leads -- whether it goes through Disney or not. Smiley
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