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« on: July 03, 2006, 03:00 PM »

Im considering a djembe, but Im not sure whether to go with one of the tunable (and relatively) expensive LP "djembe" drums, or go w the Remo type or one of the many carved, rope-tuned djembe models out there. The LPs look the best made, but I only tried one briefly in a store. Im not sure if they have the right sound. I have LP Galaxy congas and bongos and want to add the djembe for tonal variety, especially bass. Thoughts?   
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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2006, 11:43 AM »

Im not sure if they have the right sound.   

I think you need to define "right sound" first.   I'm a big fan of machine tuning and synthetic heads.   Both make life much easier and I can get the sounds I want out of instruments made that way.   However, I'm not necessarily always going for a "traditional" sound.   Sometimes to get a "traditional" sound you have to forgo some of the modern conveniences.   I think Remo djembes are excellent.  But they don't sound exactly like a traditional djembe.   

Explain the sound you're after and it'll help folks steer you to it.
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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2006, 12:38 PM »

If you want an authentic sounding djembe, a real rope tuned African one is the only way to go.  Don't get a cheap one.  Good ones will be made of hardwood, will weigh a bit, and will have a dark brown or reddish brown color.  Avoid tan colored, lightweight ones.  They're the cheapos. The sound will emphasize dry, cutting slaps, along with a big bass note.  They need to be tuned very tightly,  and kept out of very hot enviroments, like a hot car interior, to prevent head splitting.  Figure 250-400 bucks for a good one.

If you don't care about authentic sound, a "fake" djembe may be just fine for you.  Remos tend to sound a cross between a conga and a djembe.  They also tend to be less loud than a real one.  The mylar heads tend to start ringing badly if you tune up to "African" tightness, so people tend to stop at a lower tuning.  Some muffling helps to control the ringing.  I think the ones with "Nu-skin" heads sound better than the ones with "Fiberskyn" heads.  Remos are nearly bombproof, although I have heard of the plastic bearing edges melting in very extreme hot enviroments.   If you just want a lot of bass, they do make a 16" model which should give a huge bass note.

I haven't had much experience with the LPs.  I think they do have some natural head models, which would improve the sound.  With mylar, you would once again have the problems with ringing at tight tunings.  Actually, I haven't run into a key tuned djembe yet that didn't ring some. 

You could also consider an ashiko, which is a conical shaped stave drum that is rope tuned and headed like a djembe.   Avoid, however, any drum that uses sliding wood blocks, or sliding knots, or anything that slides, for tuning.  You can't tune them tightly enough, and they won't hold their tuning.
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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2006, 04:49 PM »

this is helpful. i guess by 'right sound', i meant something with some considerable volume and a deep deep bass. i have tried out a few remos and found their bass sound to be pretty big. they all had fiberskyn heads and hadnt necessarily been tuned, just whatever i encountered in the store like sam ash and guitar center.
which size wd anyone recommend? they have some in 16 or even 18 inches, i think. but is that too big? authentic djembes seem to be more like 12 inches.
i have heard it sd that 'authentic' african djembes are the loudest, a claim i cannot verify myself.
one concern is i live in s central fla where, lets just say, it gets a tad humid. i havent had any big problems w the original skin heads on the lp congas, though i also have remo fiberskyns which do, indeed, ring. i cant say i love that sound.
still, if the heavier carved dark wooden djmbes are the way to go, what about the bother of rope tuning in the fla weather? i see plenty of these rope models around here, but i wonder how stable they will be? i guess if they come from africa, they are more or less designed to cope with hot humid weather.
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2006, 08:56 PM »

I would suggest checking these folks out. Simple tuning and pretty traditional sounds...

http://www.mountainrythym.com/
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2006, 07:28 AM »

I just bought 12" pine Mountain Rythym djembe. I haven't played one before, but it was cheap on ebay so I couldn't pass it.  Here is the things that appealed to me about it....

1. Natural head, I haven't played Remo that I really liked yet they all have a good bass but the tone is just not very pleasing to me. I am not sure I like the one I bought either, but I am still expirimenting.

2. Easy tuning (not too easy, but better then rope), since I don't know much about djembes or how they should sound, this allows me to expiriment with tunning to see what I like.

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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2006, 12:56 AM »

I'll second Markers comments. He has some well stated reasoning there.

The plastic heads are just that, plastic ... and they sound like it.
Not to say they don't sound good, they do in the right hands. They've got good bass and fair slaps. But they do sound different than the authentic african skin drums which are just that, authentic.
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2006, 10:52 AM »

I have a 14" Remo and it has a TON of bass to it, so I would say for most applications you wouldn't need to go much larger.  Just my opinion though.

I'll admit, next to an authentic handmade rope-tuned djembe, it doesn't sound the same.  Put yourself in a drumcircle however and those "boing-y" sounding overtones will blend right in with everyone else and it ends up sounding great.  Really cuts through too.

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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2006, 01:35 PM »

all helpful comments.....does anyone have an LP djembe? if so, what are your reviews of it? what i want to do with a djembe - either Remo, LP or rope-tuned - is put it on a stand, maybe gibraltar? next to my LP galaxy quinto and conga, which are also on a stand. that way, im thinking the djembe can function like a tumba. im not thinking of it for a drum circle, but wd use it in an acoustic trio cover band to give some beef to the bottom.

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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2006, 04:23 PM »

You should take some careful measurements of the stand/drum combination you think you'll end up with.  That way you'll know if playing them as a set will be possible without discomfort.  The stands are all a little different and it takes some planning to do that. For example, my daughters favorite stand won't bring her djembe up to my preferred conga height, unless I play my congas seated.   If she had a bigger djembe, it would.  Personally, the two don't tickle my fancy when played together anyway, but darbuka and djembe does.  Sounds like you have some ideas, and just need to decide...that's always the hard part.  Good luck with that.

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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2006, 06:15 AM »

If you just want to use it as Tumba remember that it won't sound like a Tumba. If all your looking for is a djembe for it's bass tone pretty much any one can give you that. The LP would match your congas as far as looks and they would give you the bass you want. BUT if your going to get a djembe I'm sure you will want to use it for all the sounds you can get. I have both types Remo and rope tuned, they have there place with the sound you want. The remo 14" would probably be a good one to start with. I would recommend the LP Universal Basket Stand. You can get it up pretty close to match the height of your congas, you can use blocks under the legs if need be.
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2006, 07:59 PM »

Word of warning about those Mountain Rhythm drums.  They feature that "sliding block" tuning.  Someone gave me a conga style drum designed like that, and I can't even get it tuned tight enough for conga use.  The shell is well made, but I'd have to get it reheaded with traditional rope tuning to have a really playable drum.

LP universal basket stands are great if you don't have to change the position of the stand often.  They're very adjustable, and very affordable.  You have to remove and replace nuts and bolts to change the position, however.  So quick changes in position are out of the question.
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2006, 07:40 AM »

Word of warning about those Mountain Rhythm drums.  They feature that "sliding block" tuning.  Someone gave me a conga style drum designed like that, and I can't even get it tuned tight enough for conga use.  The shell is well made, but I'd have to get it reheaded with traditional rope tuning to have a really playable drum.

The tunning works! I have one of these djembes and I can tune it really tight. Maybe for conga with thicker skin it might be a problem.
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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2006, 12:44 PM »

The tunning works! I have one of these djembes and I can tune it really tight. Maybe for conga with thicker skin it might be a problem.

That's my experience too. I have used drums with the blocks system without problem. Puertorican Bomba barrels are constructed that way and havent heard no body complaintning.

By the way, LP is now offering a 14" djembe in their Giovanni Series.
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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2006, 05:12 PM »

does anyone have any experience with sageman djembe drums? their stuff looks good on their website. wondering how they sound?
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« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2006, 10:59 PM »

does anyone have any experience with sageman djembe drums? their stuff looks good on their website. wondering how they sound?

I was on the coast with my band this weekend and a music store in Newport had a Sageman djembe with a dragon carved on it. It was a very nice looking drum and sounded great.
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« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2006, 06:59 AM »

I have a couple of the Sageman drums. I think they sound great and the quality of workmanship  is very nice. One thing I like about them is they offer some non-traditional carvings. One thing though, they do very in size because of the solid piece of wood they are made from. I ordered a 12" and it was close to 13", ordered a 13" and it was closer to 12". Jim (Sageman) and his staff are very helpful with any problems you might have.
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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2006, 07:23 AM »

which size wd anyone recommend? they have some in 16 or even 18 inches, i think. but is that too big? authentic djembes seem to be more like 12 inches.
i have heard it sd that 'authentic' african djembes are the loudest, a claim i cannot verify myself.

I got a djembe last week (LP Aspire - black to match my black Matador congas). It's head is 12.5". My question is: is it easier to hear tonal difference between the slap and the open tone on a bigger drum? I'm a rookie on djembe; I know I haven't developed the right technique yet, but I don't hear a substancial tonal difference between the 2 strokes.

I've being using Alan Dworsky's Hip Grooves book w/ CD and I can't hear too much difference in the recording either - I have to read the chart to know if it is a slap or open tone. Is it easier to distinguish the two sounds on a bigger drum?
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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2006, 09:58 AM »

I've being using Alan Dworsky's Hip Grooves book w/ CD and I can't hear too much difference in the recording either - I have to read the chart to know if it is a slap or open tone. Is it easier to distinguish the two sounds on a bigger drum?

I've got exactly same book, and same issue, though I do hear difference between slap and tone. It's mostly pitch. Slap appears to be higher pitch sound, but not as noticible as on congas. 

One of the things I am using (and some other non-traditional people around here) to play "slap" marks is: I hit at the very edge of the djembe with tips of my fingers while puting  the edge of other hands palm very close to where I hit. Hard to explain without a picture.  But it makes a loud high pitch "tack" sound that's pretty musical.
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