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« on: July 15, 2006, 11:30 AM »

Hey gang, I have been toying with the idea of trying a dbl. bass setup.  I have never tried it, and have kicked the thought around for awhile now.  My thoughts are as follows.........

My clear/black Vistalite kit has 2 virgin bass drums, a 14x26 and 14x24.  I have a 12" dbl headed tom, 14" 16 18 and 20 toms as well.  Im thinking of using the kicks, the 14 16 and 18 drums.  I also have a few speedkings to use as well.  I have shyed away from a dbl. bass setup because of the 26-I am thinking I would be better off with 2-24" bass drums.  Problem is, a 2nd 24" to match is nearly impossible to find.  I guess I could get ahold of RCI and have them make me a 24 and drill it for lg. classic lugs, but I dunno-

I would appreciate input from experienced dbl. bass players to help this rookie dive into this.  Tips and suggestions please Grin

Am I crazy to go it alone?
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2006, 11:46 AM »

Practice with what you've got before deciding to invest. See if you dig it.

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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2006, 01:01 PM »

Yah man, before buying just take a shot at it with the 24" and 26" I mean it won't take very long to set it up and tear it down if you don't like it, then if you dig go look for another 24 and send me the 26 in the mail  Tongue
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2006, 07:35 PM »

Hi quicksfoot,
I am really a single BD pedal player that uses his second pedal for accenting and grand finally endings and after years of playing different styles with it, I have found uses to really play DB Beats.  I am no Lars but I think if you want to get into playing DB, I say go for it.  It will be there if you need it. If it is not there than you will never try.
You will find that it will make funk beats much easier. I use it on some Joe Satriani
stuff.  You will find a use for it even if you are primarily a Single bass drummer.
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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2006, 07:20 AM »

When I first started playing it didn't take me long to get a dbl bass setup going, and now I'm glad that I did.

Even though most beats (obviously excluding rapid DB patterns) can be played on a single bass, the feel of the pattern with double bass is completely different. Often times for the better, I think Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2006, 07:58 AM »

I used to dbl bass quite alot with the large sizes and frankly it mostly turns out to be sonic mud in my humble opinion- you might have better luck than I did, but that is my humble opinion.  You might be able to work some wonders though with the new dampening and bass drum head options available now.

Also, think ergonomics... a dbl pedal might be the way to go with your set up (I'd go with a middle pedal actually) and lose the 20" floor or set it up on your left.

A double pedal will be less dough than an RCI kick and less to haul around.

In the meantime, just set up what you have (2 kicks and 2 speedkings) and forget about the matching- you have to woodshed for awhile anyways so it doesn't matter what you play on until you get your dbl kick patterns happening.  Then maybe throw up a few mics (cause you should always be recording yourself) and get a sonic feel for what's going on with the different sizes, your dampening and heads, patterns and the direction where you think you want to go.  Also the ergonomic situation will present itself with different solutions..

I don't have to tell you to have fun, because dbl kick playing is a BLAST.  Lots of fun fun fun!
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2006, 04:18 PM »

Hey-thanks for the input guys.  You guys touched on some points I was concerned about.  Felix, Im thinking of turning the 20 f.t. into an upright bass drum, make it into a cocktail kit.  It sounds ok as a f.t. but I really think I got the MOST sound I can get out of it-but its just too phreaking big man!

I set the kit up configured in a dbl bass manner utilizing the 14" btwn the bass drums, and use the 16 and 18 toms.  I have played around with it for a couple of days now, and for the 1st time I found myself disliking the 26, set up as a dbl. bass kit anyhow.  I think its from my left foot being weak compared to my right, and the rebound is less on the 26 too.  Thinking of moving the 26 to my right, and scooting the 24 to the left and play with the tuning.  While loads of fun-Im inclined to believe that 29 years of playing a single bass set, and being 45 years old-Im kidding myself if I think I will get 1/2 as good as I am with a single bass kit!  Bottom line......this kit looks amazing set up as a dbl. bass kit-sounds good too, but I really have the odds stacked against me to REALLY enjoy it musically.  Im absolutely frightened of having a killer kit-but totally suck at playing it Roll Eyes I.e., POSER?Huh??

Ill keep toying with it however-Im not about to give it up prematurely.......
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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2006, 05:05 PM »

I would not worry about being good enough... if playing dbl bass patterns is something you want to get better at then just working on it will put you farther ahead than not.  Really, all you need is to get a few quads, ruffs and 16th note/1/8th note trip grooves happening and you have justified the endeavor- it shouldn't take you long to do these things, especially since you understand the subdivisions being a drummer for as long as you have.

Musicality is subjective.  If the people you play with enjoy your efforts and you do as well, then there is no problem.

You won't suck, no such thing, remember?  YOU ARE A MASTER MUSICIAN!

I just started playing traditional grip this year.  No big deal, it's something I wanted to do.  Same with hand percussion, same with piano (my limitations don't stop me from making my music).

NEVER SURRENDER and then one day you just might win a battle or two.  It's the journey, not the destination.
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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2006, 08:12 PM »

I would not worry about being good enough... if playing dbl bass patterns is something you want to get better at then just working on it will put you farther ahead than not.  Really, all you need is to get a few quads, ruffs and 16th note/1/8th note trip grooves happening and you have justified the endeavor- it shouldn't take you long to do these things, especially since you understand the subdivisions being a drummer for as long as you have.

Musicality is subjective.  If the people you play with enjoy your efforts and you do as well, then there is no problem.

You won't suck, no such thing, remember?  YOU ARE A MASTER MUSICIAN!

I just started playing traditional grip this year.  No big deal, it's something I wanted to do.  Same with hand percussion, same with piano (my limitations don't stop me from making my music).

NEVER SURRENDER and then one day you just might win a battle or two.  It's the journey, not the destination.
WHOA!  Its like the force is with me and stuff Grin  Seriously, thanks Felix-those are true words of wisdom.  We, as musicians will never know enough-we are constantly learning.  And it keeps us from being bored.  I havnt sprung my new endeavor on my bandmates yet.  Im not sure if I will-Ill just keep playing my standard setup, as I know it would freak 'em out bigtime Grin  Hmmm.....then again, I can get a BIG hair wig (circa 1982) and suggest we try covering some Poison songs?    Naw!!!!!!
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