Unfortunately there IS censor software, but I have to enter in every word that I want to be censored. It's not very fun to sit around and try to think of every curse word known to man, entering it in so that it can be censored.

I didn't see this thread in time to do anything about it.

This best censor is to just not use offensive language. We should each be our own censor and have enough sense (and self-control) to know when and where to use crass language (if ever).

FINALLY!  A job I'm eminently qualified for!  Need a volunteer? 

Just for the record:  even though I inquired about it, I didn't personally have a problem with the "offending" words (where's my copy of Bad Santa, again?).  I was just surprised to see them (one in particular) showing up at the Cafe.

Mr. A, you can't have an ignore button - your commentaries make my day.   

Most of you are assuming I tell these drummers how to set up their kits or change the things I dont like about it and this isn't the case at all.  

bholt, you are just an angry person and I find that sad.  I wish all the best for you.

TMe,  there's a saying in the audio world: You can only polish a t@#d so much.  

As an FOH engineer,  I keep to myself for the most part.  If it's a younger band I may offer more advice.  The more experienced, I don't say much cuz they already know whats up.  

Suprisingly, Many times i've been told i'm one of the nicest sound guys that the bands have met.  And as for my performance as a sound guy,  I get many compliments everytime I work, especially from the band.  

True, but that has little to do with, say, the bass disappearing from the PA and the sound tech not noticing until someone in the audience points it out.

Drummers deal with a LOT of sound tech's like that, people who mic' the snare and figure that's enough, people who obsess over slight buzzes and rings, etc.

What kills drummers is when a sound tech of that calibre starts telling them how to set up their gear and how to play.

Sounds like you're just revealing your pent up irritation.  I can see that.  Most drummers are irritating people.  That's why I prefer chatting with other drummers online, rather than in person.  Sound tech's find me easy to work with but I, too, walk away from our discussions swearing under my breath.

(It would be more accurate to say "most wannabee drummers are irritating", just as most wannabee sound tech's are irritating.  Most pro's are... pro's.)

What a lively thread!

My take: 1-(Before I read the responses) Way too many censor characters ( I appreciat 
  the cleaner atmosphere on this forum-that's one reason why this is my only 
 forum membership)
 2-I read the rants and tried to see if I could learn anything from them b 
  focusing on the facts presented, not the presentation (even though I rarely
  have/get to deal with a soundperson)(I think I can give myself an overall
  decent grade, except for maybe my cymbals are a liitle too close to my
  drums-however I do that for efficiency of movement-<a contradiction?>and
  I'm constantly trying to improve the tuning of my kit.
  (After I read the responses)
 3-Yes, you can catch a lot more bees with honey rather than vinegar, or poking
  a drumstick into their hive, (it makes them buzz real loud)

As drummers, some of us have definitely dealt with Neanderthal sound guys.  Drums too loud/missing from the mix, kick louder than anything else in the mix including vocals, non-existent/poor monitor mix, etc.  I have board tapes
where someone went berserk with an SPX 90 reverb setting and made my kit sound like it was in the men's room at the Taj Mahal.

Having said that, I doubt I would be doing anyone a service were I to rant on a sub-forum at MIX or any place else. Got better things to do with my time, and I doubt I'd be making any new friends.

Many of us here, I'm sure, do not fit into the categories originally ranted about, and what's more, I'm sure many feel the sound people are part of the team, and feel for engineers that must deal with having to make a badly tuned set sound decent. I do everything I can to accomodate the engineers.


Dan

I love how threads like these bring out great responses/comments along with a broad spectrum of emotions.

I "Feel Your Pain" Stickers! 

Actually stickers I would agree with 90% of your initial post.
Of course I also agree with many, that it might have had more impact if you hadn't patronised the members here.
Put them offside. 
I'm one of those who say's drummers can learn more from soundguys than the reverse. Unfortunately your language is making my job harder.
I think you make too many sweeping generalisations as well.
There are as many drummers with small kits who have no idea how to tune, or when to change heads.
I disagree with your zero-ring statement too.
I use them on snare drum a lot. They don't rattle - I've used them in extremely microscopic recording situations.
The comment on Moongel is also BS. Tape and tissue is much more flexible and cheap.
So why spoil the power of your argument with silly statements?

Ever heard Gadd's drums up close and personal? They don't sound that great, until he hits them, that is...