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« Reply #60 on: July 14, 2006, 03:12 PM » |
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1. Drummers with big kits, that take forever to set up, especially drummers who cant play. (I shake my head, smile and think of my nice 4 pc kit with a ride, crash and hi hat that takes 5 minutes to set up.)
2. Very good drummers who dont tune their drums properly (In turn making them not great. Good tuning is an intergral part of being a drummer, IMO.)
3. Drummers who place their cymbals to close to the drums.
4. Drummers with nice kits but dead heads and/or @#$$% tuning. (why spend the money on the kit?, you @##$%! what a waste of wood)
5. Rack mount systems ..ive seen drummers curse and get very angry at them cuz they cant get it into the right position after 10 minutes of adjusting..so sad. (And again,I shake my head, smile and think of my nice 4 pc kit with a ride, crash and hi hat that takes 5 minutes to set up.)
6. Dampening rings..9 out of 10 of them will rattle. buy moon gels.. they are more flexible, dummy.
7. Cracked cymbals. Let it go and get a new one.
8. Drummers who dont tighten their kick drum pedal and other hardware..oh let me count the times Ive had to get behind the kit and put the pedal back into place while they are still playing....I'm a trooper, yup. A few nights ago, a boom arm holding a cymbal let go and the cymbal came crashing down. ha, what an idiot. This is how #7 happens most of the time, im guessing?
K im done for now!
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« Reply #61 on: July 14, 2006, 03:19 PM » |
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Hey stickers...to set the record straight I'm not an angry person. On the contrary I'm one of the most laid back people you'd ever meet. I have a fully-equipped studio with 3 kits that our band routinely opens up to neighborhood kids to come in and jam. I just recently put my band on hold to allow another band to use the studio to rehearse for an upcoming Trisha Yearwood show. The people that know me intimately would tell you that I am humble, generous, and very caring so for me to react in the way that I did was just that, a reaction. It was a reaction to several abrasive comments you made leading up to that point. Granted, that didn't give me an excuse for such a response however I will agree with Bart...you are the one who came on here and offended a group of seasoned veterans with your unthoughtful remarks...what did you expect? I would be willing to spend countless hours with you working out your sound problems (as I'm sure many other members here would) however that would be dependent on your approach. If you learn anything from this thread I hope its a course in communication. In closing if I offended anyone on here I'm sorry and that includes you stickers. I hope all works out for you but, in agreement with the majority here, honey works much better than vinegar.
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« Reply #62 on: July 14, 2006, 03:32 PM » |
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Moon gels cost like 5 bucks for a pack of 4. They last for ever. You can wash them. They are easily removed and moveable. They don't leave marks on drum heads like tape.
Maybe the rings don't rattle on your kit and your rings are in good shape. But I think once they get bent or slightly damaged they dont sit right and cause rattle. Moongels don't rattle...ever.
Geez, dude. Lighten up. You know best . . . we get it. |
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« Reply #63 on: July 14, 2006, 03:38 PM » |
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You gotta love watching a guy telling Paul McCartney's old drummer how to make drums sound good.
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« Reply #64 on: July 14, 2006, 04:09 PM » |
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You gotta love watching a guy telling Paul McCartney's old drummer how to make drums sound good.
Speaking of---there was a video I saw many years ago on VH1's Eight-track Flashback, with McCartney playing all the instruments via trick photography. Which was that? Incidentally, as I type, I'm watching Chrisso play "Band On The Run"on VH1 Classic..... |
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« Reply #65 on: July 14, 2006, 04:28 PM » |
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Speaking of---there was a video I saw many years ago on VH1's Eight-track Flashback, with McCartney playing all the instruments via trick photography. Which was that?
Incidentally, as I type, I'm watching Chrisso play "Band On The Run"on VH1 Classic.....
I believe that was "It's Coming Up" ca. 1979-80 (that is without a net..no Googling but I think that is about right) |
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« Reply #66 on: July 14, 2006, 06:13 PM » |
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Moon gels cost like 5 bucks for a pack of 4. They last for ever. You can wash them. They are easily removed and moveable. They don't leave marks on drum heads like tape.
Maybe the rings don't rattle on your kit and your rings are in good shape. But I think once they get bent or slightly damaged they dont sit right and cause rattle. Moongels don't rattle...ever.
Now it sounds more like this forum? I use a Zero O-ring on my snare and have no noise problem. If you take a little piece of Duct Tape about 1/4in wide and one inch long and in 4 places on the inside of the ring, tac it down, it won't move or make any noise. I really perfer this method. Nutty |
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« Reply #67 on: July 14, 2006, 06:17 PM » |
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Remember the Gong Show? Cant we just gong this guy?
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« Reply #68 on: July 14, 2006, 06:21 PM » |
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You gotta love watching a guy telling Paul McCartney's old drummer how to make drums sound good.
LOL Yeah..."Soundguy" THAT!  By the way Chrisso, not sure who the drummer was on Pauls live recording of "Maybe I'm Amazed" but that HAS to be one of my favorite LIVE snare drum sounds I've ever heard! Man that drum sounds PERFECT! ...to me anyway! |
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« Reply #69 on: July 14, 2006, 07:01 PM » |
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You gotta love watching a guy telling Paul McCartney's old drummer how to make drums sound good.
Yeh, or copping attitude with Clarence Clemons' drummer! Overall though, I think this thread is a good reminder for drummers to have some understanding of micing and sound, so that we can work cooperatively with the tech to get the sound we want. |
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« Reply #70 on: July 14, 2006, 07:04 PM » |
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wow! A lot of people worked up.
I think mostly "Much ado about nothing"
I'm a part time sound guy and didn't see much wrong with somebody talking BLUNTLY about what bothers them. The initial vulgarity was unneeded, true. And the mongel statement is opinion (I like the rings, too ;>). But expensive drumsets with worn out and/or crapily tuned heads annoys any drummer who sees & hears them and having more drums than the talent to use them...well? Early on, once I started micing my kit, I did change my own drum setup, cymbal wise, to accomodate mics & their long plugs/cables for close micing of toms. Otherwise your options are underneath micing (with loss of attack) or only overheads for the toms.
I think the source of the OP's annoyances is that he CAN'T express his dismay to those drummers he is working with. I'll gladly LISTEN to any suggestions to improve my sound, at the set and through the PA/recording, IF presented in a reasonable manner. Then I'LL assess them and decide whether or not to act on them.
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« Reply #71 on: July 14, 2006, 07:27 PM » |
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Suprisingly, Many times i've been told i'm one of the nicest sound guys that the bands have met.
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« Reply #72 on: July 14, 2006, 08:24 PM » |
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I do want to defend the soundpeople that are real great to get along with......but I can count them on my hands.
I see musicians telling them to do this and to do that and pump this up and take this out. A soundperson's role is very serviant and I think you have to have the right mindset to get barked at by musicians and be able to NOT take these "orders" personally. When everything is sounding great, the musicians/band get all the praise so I really feel we need to give props as much as we can to the person behind the board.
Somebody in the thread indicated there's a lot to learn from a soundperson. I agree - I try to ask questions as much as I can and most of the time the soundperson doesn't really want to deal with me even though my intent is to make his/her job a little easier.
Dave Weckl did a tape on "How to Get your Sound". I'm not sure of the title but it's 1 of the 3 in the "A Natural Evolution" series.
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« Reply #73 on: July 14, 2006, 11:59 PM » |
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It's not very fun to sit around and try to think of every curse word known to man...
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« Reply #74 on: July 15, 2006, 01:10 AM » |
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Yes, that is surprising. LOL!  If you want to be more successful in getting your message across then please consider rethinking your approach. It can make all the difference! While I don't agree with a couple of your statements, you lost credibility with me right from the start by the way you brought this up. I have a little more patience today.  I have experienced that annoying rattling/buzzing from O-rings, so I prefer the moon-gel, too. Personal preference. Just like with drummers, there are good soundmen and bad soundmen. Having been in involved in one way or another with sound since '79 I always try to work in the musos' best interests. By the way, more accurately that saying is you can't polish a turd. You just got to do the best you can with what you have. And I know some musicians can be a real pain to work with. To ~C~ regarding... If you have a soundperson who doesn't have the experience to work with your kit and just can't get your kit to sound right, do you?
1. Accomodate the soundman and adjust your set up to get the best drum sound for the band even it means having your cymbals higher/lower or having your drums higher/lower.
2. Say "F" it....I'm not going to accomodate the soundperson, he/she is going to have to figure it out and possibly have your drums sound like crap for the night. If the soundman doesn't have the experience and can't get your kit to sound good, then I see no reason to to adjust it to accommodate him. He's still not going to get it sounding good. If at all possible I'd have someone else play my kit and make the necessary adjustments myself. |
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« Reply #75 on: July 15, 2006, 04:20 AM » |
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LOL! If the soundman doesn't have the experience and can't get your kit to sound good, then I see no reason to to adjust it to accommodate him. He's still not going to get it sounding good. If at all possible I'd have someone else play my kit and make the necessary adjustments myself. If this is the only solution, I completely agree. On top of my large set which comes equiped with my own drum mic's that get put back in the exact place every time. My kit gets set up in the same way every time. I could change my set up and adapt but a good sound man should be able to turn knobs and use his or her ears. If not then JeepnDrummer is right, I can let the sound man sit behind my kit while I make my kit sound good. Nutty |
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« Reply #76 on: July 15, 2006, 06:50 AM » |
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I volunteer to help James Walker in this monumental endeavor.
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« Reply #77 on: July 15, 2006, 07:32 AM » |
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Forgot to mention one thing about the "expensive drums" played by "less or lower talented drummers" aspect. I, personally, do try to buy the best gear I can afford and maintain it to the best of my ability. So basically, my gear will never hold me back or be an excuse for any of my lack of ability on my part ;>)
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« Reply #78 on: July 15, 2006, 01:49 PM » |
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Stickers, here's a tip for you: Don't post a thread that says anything even remotely bad about drummers on a drum forum.
Also, a drummer who is good will sound good even on a terrible sounding kit. I've seen it happen before.
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« Reply #79 on: July 15, 2006, 02:18 PM » |
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Yeah, but its likely they would have sounded great on a good sounding kit.
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