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« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2006, 01:53 PM »

There's actually an old study on limb coordination and motor skills (U. Texas, way back in the 60s) that showed nearly everyone on the planet connects each arm limb to a leg function. For nearly everyone, the right foot is connected to the right hand, and the left foot is connected to the left hand. A very small minority are ambidextrous and never developed the slave-like dependence on right side/left side. An even smaller minority (less than 1 percent) connect the right hand to the left foot and vice versa.

I tell my students that we have to cut the invisible strings that are attached to the right hand and foot as well as the left hand and foot.

So ... I am in agreement with you on this.
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« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2006, 03:29 PM »

Exactly.  The leading limb always carries the 1/8 th note.  So if you can play 8ths you will be blazing your power threes in no time.


I agree-thats how I often play them.  Bonham wasnt too difficult to figure out.  Its the "feel" the "groove" the "style" that makes it difficult.  The "how" is the EASY part IMO
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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2006, 07:00 PM »

Wow I hadn't really thought of feeling them in 8ths, like anchoring that 8th on one of the lims i tried it feeling 8ths on my foot and then feeling the 8ths on my right hand it made things alot easier to space.
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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2006, 07:25 PM »

Wow I hadn't really thought of feeling them in 8ths, like anchoring that 8th on one of the lims i tried it feeling 8ths on my foot and then feeling the 8ths on my right hand it made things alot easier to space.

Eighth-notes work IF you are playing sextuplets or sixteenth-note triplets. We are talking about a sticking here ... R L F ... not a particular notational figure.

I highly suggest that you just learn and own the RLF thing first. If you are playing sixteenth-note triplets, then sure, anchor it to eighth-notes. If you are playing 32nd-note triplets, then you would "anchor" it to the sixteenth-note. All of this is only good if you are playing consecutive triplets ... otherwise you wouldn't need to anchor anything.
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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2006, 04:36 AM »

Well, I started practicing these again last night.  In particular with the left hand lead.  After I "master" this I'm going to practice with the kick in the middle of the grouping.

I wouldn't say it's hard material, but it's tricky for me.  Once in awhile I come across a voicing pattern as I move the grouping around the kit that is very nice.  Just have to remember them the next day  Undecided

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« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2006, 07:20 AM »

Thanks to all of you for this wonderfully educational thread.  I have alway tried to do this by feel and I had no idea there was so many different ways to play it.  You all have giving me something to work on.  Thank you all for the lesson. This is why I am here at the best drummer forum around.  Thanks again. You guy and gals are the best!!!!!
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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2006, 12:08 PM »

If you're having trouble playing even triplets.  I would suggest an exercise that will help.  Start by playing (with hands for now) 8 counts of triplets, then accent the down beats for 8 counts, then the middle notes for 8 counts, then the 3rd note for 8 counts, and finally accent all 3 notes for 8 counts.  I will illustrate it for you using R and L for accents and r and l for non accents.

rlr lrl rlr lrl | rlr lrl rlr lrl | Rlr Lrl Rlr Lrl | Rlr Lrl Rlr Lrl | rLr lRl rLr lRl | rLr lRl rLr lRl | rlR lrL rlR lrL | rlR lrL rlR lrL | RLR LRL RLR LRL |  REPEAT.

Start slowly and really make sure you're playing the same heights on both hands and the quality of sound is even hand to hand.
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« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2006, 12:38 PM »

Rlr Lrl Rlr Lrl | Rlr Lrl Rlr Lrl | rLr lRl rLr lRl | rLr lRl rLr lRl | rlR lrL rlR lrL | rlR lrL rlR lrL | RLR LRL RLR LRL |  REPEAT.

This accent pattern also works well by doing it on one hand. I built up my singles by doing it one time through with the right hand, then repeated by doing the same pattern as a skeleton pattern for sextuplets (just add left-hand grace notes). Then do the same pattern with the left-hand and left-hand lead. If you have a weak hand, focus on accenting with that hand.

I also know of two cool extensions to the pattern that go like this:

(1) | Rlr Lrl rLr lRl | rlR lrL Rlr Lrl | rLr lRl rlR lrL |

(2) | Rlr lRl rlR Lrl | rLr lrL Rlr lRl | rlR Lrl rLr lrL| R ...

I usually play the pattern you wrote out fluidly with the above two patterns for practice. My routine is to play first only the right hand, then only the left hand. Then I play with right-hand lead, then left-hand lead. After that, I alternate lead hands with the following additions:

* Drags on the accents
* Tap rolls
* Flams on the accents
* Paradiddles (great for strength triplet double-strokes, because you really have to focus on the accents)

If I'm feeling really ambititious, I will try 32-note triplets (with varied sticking) with the same triplet accents. I have to be really loose to try that, though. Wink
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« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2006, 02:20 PM »

You could even add

Drag all the rights, then all the lefts
Flam drags - drag after the flam or drag on the accent note of the flam
Flam fives  - drag on both the accent note of the flam and the note after the flam
There are myriad combinations of rudiments you could throw into this 'grid' pattern.  In my Drum Corps days I was playing all this on a 20" bass drum, not so much anymore.  Wink

I was mainly using the exercise in this case to get hands playing the same strength. 
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« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2006, 02:38 PM »

I was mainly using the exercise in this case to get hands playing the same strength. 

It is indeed a good exercise for just that. Along with the other two phrases, playing it around the kit is a good way to learn about playing against the meter and over the bar.

Of all the corps exercises I've been handed, this is one of the best and most versatile patterns!
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« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2006, 02:45 PM »

Of all the corps exercises I've been handed, this is one of the best and most versatile patterns!

I couldn't agree more!  I play this exercise in one variant or another all the time.
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