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GMD
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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2006, 10:55 AM »

Paul - point well taken about the kit size.  However, as RCA pointed out, it is a real issue in trying to visually communicate with him.  Especially when three of the drums are essentially "props."  That's what I call them since he literally will only use any one of them for one beat in one song the entire night.  That's the equivilant of me carrying my 6-string bass to a gig so I can play 1 note on the C string the entire night.  When he does try to use all of the drums more frequently, he usually get's tripped up and drops beat.  (Sometimes he will then turn and blame all of us for "losing our timing."  That's if he hasn't just stopped playing until he can find his way back into the groove).  So our hope is to get him to "play within himself."  He tries to do too much.  He can be really solid when he does that.  I hate to say it but, he thinks he's a lot better than he is.  Again, sometimes less is more.  I've always felt you need to leave space in the music for it to breathe.  ( Guitarist battle this a lot too.)  We continue to do positive reinforcement when he does this, but them it becomes..."That's boring.  I want to do 'crazy beats'"  Oh well. 
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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2006, 11:23 AM »

(After a while, these "how do I fix my drummer?" threads make me want to e-mail my contact information and some demo mp3s...)   Roll Eyes

Personally, I wouldn't worry about the size of his kit - I stand by my earlier post, that the problem lies with the drummer, and not with his equipment.  Removing x-number of components from his kit will not guarantee that he will play tastefully, that he will pay attention to the rest of the band, etc.

Speaking as someone who is not only a drummer, but also a vibes and steel pan player (giving me the non-drummer's perspective on these things), since you have substantive problems with his playing, with difficulties in communicating onstage, etc., I'd approach him with those issues specifically.  Don't worry about the size of his kit, or the number of pieces he uses.  For example, if you and your bandmates have difficulty communicating visual cues to him - which I agree, is an important issue - then tell him, "We need you to be better able to respond to visual cues.  If we can't communicate with you that way, you won't be able to do what we need a drummer to do."  End of story.  If he can solve the problem by moving a cymbal, raising/lowering his cymbals, rearranging his kit, removing parts of his kit, sitting higher, watching more closely, etc. - then let him address the issue.  If he can solve the problem without switching to a smaller kit, does it matter?  The problem is solved.  If he can't or won't facilitate the communciation of visual cues, then find another drummer. 

You've expressed some valid concerns here regarding your drummer.  However, I don't agree that having him use a smaller kit is a cure-all, or in any way guarantees that your concerns will be addressed.
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