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« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2006, 12:20 PM » |
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Sweet digs there catman.  I bet the kit sounds phenomenal in that room. Rock on... |
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« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2006, 01:39 PM » |
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The paiste sound formula is a "full ride" 20" I really like it.
Nice, it looks very crashable. I do not compress to the XR (as you call tape) but sometimes I engage the "soft limit" on the 428. When I mix down I might insert a compressor but usually I just try to play measured and I just limit the dynamics overall.
I usually compress piano and vocals- sometimes guitar when mixing. Then I limit or multiband compress when I'm "mastering".
By tape I mean whatever medium you're recording to, sorry, old habit. I've yet to try limiting to tape, I'm going to have to experiment when I get home. Thanks for answering my questions. |
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« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2006, 02:00 PM » |
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Hi Drumlooney. Good to see you again.
I like the Rosetta very much, it extends the highs and lows of the program material and acts as a mini router for me in the studio as well. I bought it to bypass the Alesis converters in the masterlink and to give me a good conversion out of the midas board when I'm mixing analog style.
Do I hear a big difference? Not really, but a little bit. Alesis converters are great for the money I think but the Apogee stuff opens it up a bit more. It's a new piece and something I can use for a long time. I'm really looking forward to doing a 24/96 conversion from the midas into wavelab for my mastering purposes. It should be a better final product than what the masterlink gives me. But the Masterlink (Alesis again) is very fast and easy to use for demos.
Sweet man thanks for the response, I was using the crappy Digi converters so I noticed a huge difference when I got my DA Converter but that's just me. I'm glad things are working out for you with the studio, how's the Midas? |
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« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2006, 02:53 PM » |
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Here is the Noble & Cooley Horizon shell pack...needs...cymbals added Oh, bugger - you added the cymbals already. I was hoping you'd give a Peter Gabriel treatment to at least one of the tunes.  I have a couple of heavy rock tunes to do after this mellow one I just wrote so making the transition between the songs tonally will be kinda tricky. Aw, that's easy: drum solo.Seriously - stuff the transitions. Subtlety (much like romance) is dead - just scare the hell out of everyone by following the mellow tune with some quads, or maybe some Swiss army triplets around the toms. I have not picked out a snare drum yet.  Maybe you guys can help me with that? If you do get stuck picking out a snare for a tune, do a few rough tracks with the snares you're considering, and post 'em here. Should be helpful, at least if you find getting a half-dozen conflicting opinions helpful. I'm sure you'll have no trouble getting one of your snare drums to fit the bill, but if you really get stuck, I'll have to lend you one of my Tempus snares, or the copper Yammy. |
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"Less is more." "Play for the song." "Smaller setups make you more creative." Come on, folks - get past the bumper sticker slogans and THINK. Take some responsibility for your creative choices.
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« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2006, 06:18 PM » |
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Sweet indeed Felix. As usual, great taste in cymbals. That Novo china is one pie with authority, good to see it get recognition.
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« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2006, 06:26 PM » |
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Hi my friend James Walker and thank you for putting your stamp on my thread. Yes I added cymbals but I did work out a 16th note heavy funk/rock groove where I am just playing the hats. I recorded that already but I have to go back and listen to it- it's been awhile. I really really like the sonor signature snare drum. It is very dry and records wonderfully with "a signature" oddly enough. I was listening to another tune I have worked on today and I concentrated on the snare sound... it's totally everything I like in a snare drum... (at this time ). You never get any symp. buzz either. I'll post a Mp3 tomorrow for you guys, oh can't till I get my computer back, soon though... tonight I'm making chili and playing some keys. Oh, and to answer Jose's question: I like the Midas. It is very easy to get a good mix but always requires an increase in gain on the master/printing side of things since it is a live board. One also has to be careful with the outboard effects as they can add noise very quickly (at least mine do  ). I work in a minimalist sort of way so it's ok for me. It is nice intermediate board until I get a Neve or API if I can ever justify such an expendature. But for what I do- it's pretty cool. I can always mix in the computer with Cubase and use the automation and memory, etc... but I'm trying to stay away from that as much as possible. It has a transparent sound, kinda warm sound with a very nice eq. Mixed down it has an old school vibe to the sound. Hi D.T. Thank you for joining our thread. Yes, I like the Novo. Very clean china. I sometimes put tape on it if I want to shorten the decay. I also like to play it with a crash. I have a cool coda I wrote with some nice drumming and china crashes I should post one of these day. There James will find a nice wad of quads, sixes and in particular, a couple of 1/8 note flam tap fills that I am incredibly proud of.  |
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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2006, 08:54 AM » |
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We did a session a couple of nights ago- bass tracks. I put an EV RE20 on my ampeg (these are nice for kick drums too):  Then I just plugged it into my snake then into a focusrite 428 channel:  I filtered out a little of the low end and I also engaged the soft limit. His bass is not a high quality instrument but we managed to find a quiet pickup in the thing. I also used the low impedance setting on the 428 impedance selector- it has the lowest noise floor. I added some low mid tone with midas eq on playback. We only had to do a few punches with the Alesis HD24. Such a breeze and oh so fast to set up with this machine:  After I set up the preroll point I just tap in with my foot (like my shoes?)  :  Here's my homey bro Jim. Killer akron boy and my studio mentor- he's worked on all the best boards and gear, old school trumpet and bassman- very musical:  Had an issue with the noble and cooleys- they aren't going to work for me and I'll leave it at that. Will set up the hybrid sonor kit and go from there next entry. |
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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2006, 08:17 PM » |
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Had an issue with the noble and cooleys- they aren't going to work for me and I'll leave it at that. Will set up the hybrid sonor kit and go from there next entry.
Hey there Felix, this is a cool thread! You "Had an issue with the noble and cooleys..." That's pretty enigmatic! Care to add any detail, or shall we just use our imagination? |
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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2006, 08:49 PM » |
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No prob. byron thanks for asking
My friend who owns them has a new gig and he's probably going to be using them more often. He beats the crap out of drums and when he takes them out the tuning is always changed and the set up is always hacked on the rack.
So he called me a couple of nights ago (after I had them all set up beautifully) to tell me he's taking them out for some B.S. bar gig the 13th. I'm like "cool" actually thinking *your stupid, take your yamahas* but no biggie the heads are spent on the batters anyways and too heavy for my taste. I just tore them down and cased them up today. Once I get a kit dialed in I have to be "in the zone" for when I cut tracks. Not trying to be an elitist, but when I start getting close I don't like to have disruptions. I don't have the time or the talent.
So I guess I'm going to have to deal with my crap sonors. At least with that rig I can keep them where I like them.
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« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2006, 12:54 AM » |
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I just tore them down and cased them up today. Once I get a kit dialed in I have to be "in the zone" for when I cut tracks.
So I guess I'm going to have to deal with my crap sonors. At least with that rig I can keep them where I like them.
Good call Felix! Better to dial-in your Sonors to 95% and stay there, rather than to spend half of your time fooling with the N&C's to try to get that last 5% happening. I swear, if you took a single sample note from a single tom from each of 100 drummers, from Buddy Rich to Bonzo... Ringo, Garibaldi, Gadd, Portnoy, Vinnie... Cobham, Weckl, Chambers, or Whitten on his new custom N&C's, or Mr. A on his hand-built micro-kit... you'd get 100 VERY different sounds, and all would sound cool in their own way! I'm a firm believer in the idea that the drummer makes the drum sound good, not vice-versa. |
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« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2006, 06:20 AM » |
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I'm a firm believer in the idea that the drummer makes the drum sound good, not vice-versa.
That's what scares me So I have no excuses now. I got my computer back from the shop and rearing to go. I guess it's time I put up or shut up pretty soon *how about shut up* |
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« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2006, 08:50 AM » |
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Very nice room. I love the slotted wood ceiling. Great idea. Also beautiful. I would love to stain something like that. I wish I had an upright myself. I so miss playing real pianos. Why do you still use an ADAT, instead of using your PC? I'm just curious. Alanis' first record was done in a home studio on ADAT. They can definately get some good sounds. I was considering ADATs for a while, but I can't break away from my unlimited tracks and infinate plugins in the box. We even have an old 8ch reel to reel here that I want to use, but it doesn't offer me the control my PC has. Presonus does make some good stuff. I got the TubePre for free with a mic purchase and it is a very nice little pre. I think it worked best as a DI for bass and I've been using it for my kick mic.
I'd love to see what everyone is working with in their home studios. I would also like to hear other people's method's of composing. Felix have you checked out the TapeOp croud?
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« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2006, 02:52 PM » |
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Thanks for popping in sleepy. I use Adats because they sound great and are easy to move around. The new Adats are awesome. The old ones stink but you can still get some good sounds on them. You also don't have a screen to distract you and a million plug ins. I rarely use more the 16 tracks anyways- it's just how I like to work. I always had and still have trouble with PC based recording systems. In fact I just got my pc upgraded for what was some mastering/printing chores and shot a whole morning to heck trying to get it to record and play back properly. Just a drag. I don't like working with a pc to record at all anything although I know that's the way it's going. One forum is enough for me. |
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« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2006, 06:07 PM » |
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So I guess I'm going to have to deal with my crap sonors. At least with that rig I can keep them where I like them.
Hey Felix, I'm curious what sort of trouble you've had with trying to get a good sound from your Sonors. I assume you're setting them up well, with good heads, tuning, and dampening if needed. What do you think is the problem, or what aren't they giving you that you're trying to get? |
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« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2006, 08:40 AM » |
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So after I took the Delite toms out of the cases and set them up I was pretty bummed. I played a rock gig on single ply heads which were at least a half of year old... and after I set them up this weekend I realized quickly that they were spent. I went to sam ash and I picked up some Evans G2 clears for a change. After the head change it took some time finding and fixing some buzzes in the hardware and setting all the mics back up. They sound pretty good and the 10 sounds phenomenal. I'm still getting used to tuning them with the new heads. It seems they (and inparticular me) like a 1, 3, 5/Major relationship between the shell, top head and bottom... although sometimes the relationship is inverted in that the reso might be lower than the batter or vice versa. They are much deeper with a softer feel than the noble and cooley shells. Can't say much for the sound- different. I should be able to get them to at least sound as good in some sense. Here's my bro soundchecking them last night:  Oh, the kick is birch, the toms maple and the snare is beech. I just love that snare drum- he commented and said "there's no buzz with this thing"... he he he.  He's got some big guns for arms doesn't he? I did not take a pic but I have a large diaphragm condenser in front of the kick reso also (aquarian sk1 and regulator combo- still running the D6/in the kick angled towards the shell)- sounds good man! I'm getting alot of bleed as well (always have). I have been thinking about chopping out all the bleeded signal from the tracks (laborious process) digitally and doing some mixes with bleed and without (highly edited tracks). With the bleed my mixes sound very retro if not dated. Some people like this. I would like to perhaps see if I chop out all the bleed perhaps I might get some added definition in the mixes and thus a more modern sound. |
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« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2006, 01:43 PM » |
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My, that's a terrific control room. And, the lighting is incredible. I always like seeing photos of your studio.
No real questions yet; I'm sure I'll have some later. Just wanted to register my thoughts.
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« Reply #36 on: September 11, 2006, 01:54 PM » |
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Thanks a bunch Joe and thanks for popping in on my thread. It was hard finding a dimmer switch that wasn't noisy and I also had to dump a whole set of track lights because the transformer was WAY too loud. I'll have to ask my other buddy whom helped me with the lighting (I helped him actually ) what kinda dimmer I ended up getting that was silent. OH and the computer is starting to get the debugged. I guess I'll have to post some audio files pretty soon huh? |
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« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2006, 02:30 PM » |
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Nice digs ya got there, Felix! I'm jealous. I'll bet its a nice place to get away to.
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« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2006, 06:33 PM » |
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Hi there Felix, I'm still curious what you don't (or didn't) like about your Sonors. Being an engineer, producer, as well as a drummer, you have far more experience with recording drums than I do, and I'd be interested to hear what you find troublesome in recording drums. I'd also like to hear what makes you when you're recording drums. |
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« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2006, 09:35 PM » |
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Do you have a video camera that you could give us a virtual tour of your studio? I love all the pics. Such a cozy looking space. I'm still blown away by the arch ceiling.
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