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« on: September 26, 2007, 05:35 PM »

Hello,

I am using a single bass pedal setup.

I am having problems adapting to playing heel up and using the heel toe technique. When I use either technique I loose my balance on the pedals. This is choking my playing.

I sit with my legs above 90 degrees (I've tried 90 degrees) and my lower legs are in a comfortable position to the footboards.

When I execute a heel toe double, I have to lean on my leg playing bass pedal and i loose control. The same goes for using the foot slide to get doubles - loose balance.
Is this normal???

BTW I use a pearl eliminator 2000 double chain (red cam/powershifter set at sensitive/semi loose spring tension/beater 4 inches away from head).

For awhile I am thinking the bass pedal is not suited for me or that I have to work the muscles in the foot area, or i'm not sitting correctly.

Any ideas and suggestions. Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2007, 07:48 PM »

The only thing I could say is experiment with the height of the stool and lots of practice. You shouldn't be losing your balance. I felt that way when I first started and changed the stool height until it felt right for me. Practice, practice, practice.... You may need to change the pedal settings, but I'm not familiar enough with that pedal to help you. Maybe someone else could steer you right on that particular pedal. Sorry I couldn't be more help.   Undecided
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2007, 12:17 AM »

The only thing I could say is experiment with the height of the stool and lots of practice. You shouldn't be losing your balance. I felt that way when I first started and changed the stool height until it felt right for me. Practice, practice, practice.... You may need to change the pedal settings, but I'm not familiar enough with that pedal to help you. Maybe someone else could steer you right on that particular pedal. Sorry I couldn't be more help.   Undecided

I'm thinking that the chair may be either too close to the pedal, or that the chair itself is too low, or likely a combination of the two. The pedal may take some time to adapt to, but i'm sure its a pretty standard pedal, some drummers take more time adjusting to new hardware than others, i'm sure the pedal will do you just fine Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2007, 11:06 AM »

Chair position could be the problem, but also posture and how much of the throne cushion your butt grabs. Experimenting with all of these will probably produce the optimum balance for you. Everyone's difference because everyone has a different inseam!
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2007, 12:39 PM »

If you are unable to maintain your balance it is either a throne problem or a posture problem.  The throne may not fit you or it could be positioned or adjusted incorrectly.  The only way to know for sure is find a good instructor.  If you are unable to find one locally you can always try the video lessons with Bart. 
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2007, 09:18 PM »

I agree with most of the responses already given.  It is not normal to lose balance.
The pedal is not the issue.  As stated before, throne and/or throne height, posture and the distance of the throne to the pedals is the probably cause.

I've seen a well known teacher describe how to set up as follows: (wish I could remember his name).

Optimally your height should be where your legs are slightly downward bent, ie, higher than a 90 degree angle.  Sit firmly in the throne, centered, not on the extreme edge.  Place your feet flat on the ground.  Your knee should be slightly behind your ankle.  Whereever this places the foot, that is where your pedal should be placed in relation to your throne. 

This was described as the position to obtain optimal leverage using the least amount of physical effort.  Of course everyone has their own preferences but this guy certainly knew what he was talking about and it is a good starting point.  I would hazard a guess that maybe your feet are positioned too close to the throne.
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2007, 01:15 AM »

I like to keep my balance over my center (just below and behind the belly button) at all times, allowing my legs and arms to do the work rather than the shifting weight of my body. Perhaps you just need time with the technique to allow your foot and leg to support the movement. Good luck  Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2007, 11:48 AM »

Scheming Demon sounds like he's right on the money.
The pedal shouldn't be the issue, but I'll say this, when it came time for me to buy a pedal, I considered the pedal that you are using, but was unsatisfied with the adjustments that it has.  I opted for the Tama Iron Cobra, it was more adjustable.

Definitely experiment with the throne adjustment though, it sure makes a difference.
Another thing (and partially why I passed by the pearl pedal) is the pedalboard angle.  It should be set to the angle that your foot swings out to when you walk.

You might be interested in Joe Stronsick's Ballistic Drumming technique. 
www.ballisticdrumming.com

It costs money, but he's also got a week of free email mini lessons that he'll do, so its worth looking into.  He'll send you a fee CD for a little taste, too.
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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2007, 06:05 PM »

Hi and thanks for the responses.

In short i've revised and sorted out the throne height, and limb positioning, things are more comfortable.

The beater angle and footboard height is joined on the pearl eliminator 2000. This is one of the mechanisms i don't like about the pedal. I am going to see about changing to the iron cobra flexiglide.

cheers
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2007, 04:45 PM »

I think Scheming Demon is right on as well.  I can tell immediately when my stool just the right height - which is about what he stated barring the small variance caused by people diffs.
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