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« on: September 27, 2006, 09:18 AM »

ben's topic reminded me ...

I have one hell of a time understanding, lip-reading (facial hair doesn't help at all!), getting ... what people are trying to communicate onstage, as we're playing.  I can't hear them at all above the stage noise.  I just nod, and try to pick up the change when it comes (at least I'm expecting one).   

And I can't communicate either ... talking and drumming at the same time is difficult for me.  (I guess I should practice at reciting poetry or something as I play  Smiley )

How do you folks deal with it?

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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2006, 09:49 AM »

Hand signals.

Song navigation:
Closed fist = take it out
Crossed fingers or touching the bridge of the nose = go to the bridge
Waving a finger in a circle in the air = take another solo/go around again
Pointing a finger at a player = you've got the next solo
Tap the top of the head = go back to the top/beginning of the song
Tap own chest (usually a singer) = I've got it/I'm taking a verse

Changing keys on the fly:
Make a "C" shape with your hand = key of "C"
One finger pointing down = 1 flat (2 down = 2 flats, etc)
One finger pointing up = 1 sharp (2 up = 2 sharps, etc)
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2006, 04:55 PM »

Hand signals.

Closed fist = You guys (backing band) are rubbish.
Crossed fingers  = I hope I remember the lyrics.
Waving a finger in a circle in the air = aren't I an amazing singer/front person?
Pointing a finger at a player = you're fired, but only after we finish the show.
Tap the top of the head = It's all about me, don't look at the other players.
Tap own chest (usually a singer) = wow, I shouldn't have stayed up all night and had that last cigarette before we went onstage.
Sorry, couldn't resist. Have I just finished touring backing a solo frontman or what? Grin
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Changing keys on the fly:
Make a "C" shape with your hand = key of "C"
One finger pointing down = 1 flat (2 down = 2 flats, etc)
One finger pointing up = 1 sharp (2 up = 2 sharps, etc)

those are great.
I also think it helps to keep your eye's open when playing and to position one's cymbals below or above the sight lines.
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2006, 11:46 PM »

Lol Chris! Grin

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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2006, 08:14 AM »

Funny story.

Was doing a radio show years ago. The band had a bunch of crazy signals about when to come in after the count-off. 2 fingers = come in on beat 2 after the count... 1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4 (pause) BAM!!!

Then it started to get more sophisticated with half-fingers signaling the and-of-two/three whatever. So we're doing this show and the subbing(!!!!!) horn players are in another room! Leader counts off and holds up two-and-a-half fingers!!!!!! I think the players fell out of their chairs. :0)


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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2006, 09:10 AM »

My problem is when the leader of the group will decide to do a different song next than what is listed on "the list".  He will come over and have to SCREAM at me to be heard above the music, and I still can't hear him.  He's done this many times, I've told him I can NEVER hear him, so....

I just smile and nod my head.
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2006, 09:30 AM »

My problem is when the leader of the group will decide to do a different song next than what is listed on "the list".  He will come over and have to SCREAM at me to be heard above the music, and I still can't hear him.  He's done this many times, I've told him I can NEVER hear him, so....

I just smile and nod my head.

We use a numbered set list.  The "spare" tunes are at the bottom and they're also numbered.  Changing tunes is handled by calling out or using fingers to indicate the next tune's number.  Or, one of the singers will walk stage left or stage right and point to the next tune on the list.  Head-nodding is a good way to confirm.
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2006, 02:10 PM »

we used to keep set lists A & B.

'B' was the default we went to if the first 3 tunes went over everyone's head. it guaranteed a steady stream of tunes in common time.

the hand signal was a whirling forefinger 'round the ear, to indicate 'these people are too dumb to get it!'

sadly, we had to default to B more often than not!
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2006, 02:28 PM »


the hand signal was a whirling forefinger 'round the ear, to indicate 'these people are too dumb to get it!'


We used that signal when we were calling "Crazy" by Patsy Kline.  Smiley

We also used the hitchhiker-thumb-over-the-shoulder when we spotted someone in the crowd dancing like Elaine from Seinfeld.
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2006, 03:26 PM »

My problem is when the leader of the group will decide to do a different song next than what is listed on "the list".  He will come over and have to SCREAM at me to be heard above the music, and I still can't hear him.  He's done this many times, I've told him I can NEVER hear him, so....

I just smile and nod my head.

We use a numbered set list.  The "spare" tunes are at the bottom and they're also numbered.  Changing tunes is handled by calling out or using fingers to indicate the next tune's number.  Or, one of the singers will walk stage left or stage right and point to the next tune on the list.  Head-nodding is a good way to confirm.

THANKS!  makes a LOT of sense ... that's what I was looking for.  I hope it goes over with the rest of the crew.
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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2006, 03:33 PM »

I'm embarassed to admit this, but I once threw a drumstick at someone on stage!  I didn't mean to do it hard, but I wanted to get his attention!  It bruised his hand.  I felt horrible and will never do that again!!!!!
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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2006, 05:48 PM »

I'm embarassed to admit this, but I once threw a drumstick at someone on stage!  I didn't mean to do it hard, but I wanted to get his attention!  It bruised his hand.  I felt horrible and will never do that again!!!!!

The band was playing to a packed house one weekend night - We had been in that place as the house band for 3 or 4 months when this happened, but the guitar player, a young stud (in his own mind) who had been subbing for the regular player for a couple of weeks got a terrible case of "I'm too cool/sexy/hip/good to pay attention.  He was a good player for sure, but this paticular night he drank way too much and was out to impress all the women in the world.  After several stupid stunts - jumping on a table next to the stage, trying to spin his guitar around his head, and almost strangling himself with the cord, etc. I had had it.  He got lost doing a long and loud guitar lead and I couldn't catch his attention to recover the train wreck.  I went off mic and yelled his name, which got everyone's attention but his, then threw my stick at him, bouncing it right off his head (I was mad, but I didn't mean to hit him in the head).  He was so shocked he just stopped playing and tripped over the cords falling on his a$$.  The keyboard player was watching and took over the lead and somehow we came together and slid into another song.  The three of us, bass, keys and drums, had played together for several years and it seems eye contact was all we needed and we pulled it off.  Mr. Guitar Wonderful got the message and mellowed out right away, ate some humble pie and profusely apologized after the set. 

This is not the best way to communicate, I'd rather have more subtle methods. 
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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2006, 06:01 PM »

Throwing sticks will take someone's eye out.  Huh

All these different signalling techniques are very interesting to me.
I must say, I've never worked in a band with so much sophistication.
On the subject of communication, our 'leader' on the World Party tour insisted on counting the songs in himself.
He tended to do it under his breath. Also he really wanted to say "2, 3" only, missing off 1 and 4.
This was never enough for me and it led to more than one stuttering start.
If allowed, I would scream "1.....2.....1.2.3.4". Better to come in strongly together, despite the fact you are 'telegraphing' the next song to the audience.
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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2006, 06:19 PM »

Throwing sticks will take someone's eye out.  Huh

I thought about that possiblity many time after that happened . . .  I realized I was probably not in a completely sober place either and was acting as out of control as the guitar player.  I determined never to let myself get in a head space like that again and I mean both drinking and getting mad . . . (and I haven't).

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