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« on: September 24, 2006, 05:52 PM »

I played last night with a female singer friend and two other musicians (guitar and bass) doing jazz and old style blues.  It's the singer's gig, and she'd originally planned to do it without a drummer because of the money, but called me after deciding that it would go a lot better with a drummer.

So I played, but for short money, which didn't bother me too much at the time.  But here's where it gets interesting.

She wants me to play with them again at the same place, but the other two guys won't accept the 25% cut in pay that would enable me to make the same money as the rest of the band.  Instead I'd be expected to play for a guarantee of at least half what they get, with the (outside) possibility of more.

If I get a call at the last minute, I'm prone usually to take a gig, even if it's for less than desired pay, because I think it's better to play someplace than to stay home for a lot of reasons.  On the other hand, I don't like being the only guy in the band working for short money, especially when the other players are not any better on their own axe than I am, and when I'm frankly making the band and show substantially better by my presence (as stated by the singer).

After thinking about it all the way home last night and a good part of today, I think I know how I'm going to handle it, but am interested in hearing what the population here thinks.

So what would you do, and why?  Thanks in advance for your responses.
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2006, 06:18 PM »

If it was a one shot deal to help out then that's fine.  But making the gig better for half the pay sounds like an insult. 

I love to play and would play basically for free, but I don't like the sound of that one.
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2006, 06:56 PM »

Don't do it. It's a terrible situation that will only make you resent the players.
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2006, 07:18 PM »

Nope. Set a definite price tag for the gig, not a "maybe you'll make more" arrangement. Set a price that is A) realistic, and B) won't make you feel screwed-over.

If she can't meet your price, she doesn't want to use you bad enough.
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2006, 07:25 PM »

I feel the same as above. It's a four way split or they can work three handed. I've done alot of charity gigs over the years, but this is going to far in the wrong direction.
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2006, 07:35 PM »

...the other two guys won't accept the 25% cut in pay that would enable me to make the same money as the rest of the band.  Instead I'd be expected to play for a guarantee of at least half what they get....

How about having her ask the venue to raise the pay rate so that everyone gets paid equally?

If not, I'd say "Thanks, but no thanks."
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2006, 10:12 PM »

If I go to Home Depot and want some paint, I pay the price, or leave the item there.

If she wants you, she'll pay your price.  If she won't, then she doesn't.  How she comes up with it is not your problem.

A charity freebie is one thing.  What is offered you is disrespectful. 
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2006, 10:17 PM »

If she can't meet your price, she doesn't want to use you bad enough.

Well that's a key line.

However, I will work for less than I think I'm worth.
But I wont accept being treated as a lesser entity. In other words, we all work for less money and the same amount by the way, or I don't do the gig.
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2006, 12:52 PM »

Don't do it.  The rest of the band doesn't want to shell out for a better drummer (you) and she (the singer) doesn't either.

You helped them out once, don't let them walk on you.
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2006, 01:09 PM »

I would rather stay home and practice unless it was a really fun gig, full of fringe benefits.

And even then; a guy with your experience- I'm sure you could find something else pretty quick.
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2006, 01:10 PM »

Agreed... it's one thing to help them out for a last minute thing.   I've done the same thing on occassion -- like you say, it's better than sitting at home -- but if they want to use you regularly, it doesn't make sense to pay you (or any other musician) less than the rest of the band.  
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2006, 02:29 PM »

Like the other guys said, get her to pay you what's right, or do the gig without you.

1) She tells these other guys to accept the pay cut so you all get an equal share. (After all, it's HER gig.)

Or:

2) She's goes to the venue and gets more money so your money increases to the same rates those other guys are getting.

Either way, I would'nt lose too much sleep over having to turn down the gig.
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2006, 03:07 PM »

I never worry about what anyone else in the band is making. I've played gigs where I know the leader booked an outrageous price and I walked away with less than 1/10th of that. But it was plenty of money for me to play that gig, there were no hassles other than the ones I created, and it wasn't an unpleasant group to play with.

You need to decide the number you're content with, both on a practical level and a personal level. Don't ever take a gig where those two things haven't been reconciled before hand.
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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2006, 04:27 PM »

"I really enjoyed the gig and would like to do it again but I don't want to be treated as a lesser musician & person by being paid far less than the others" and if applicable add", a rate less than I usually make."

That's it in a nutshell. Just tell her.

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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2006, 08:04 AM »

Working cheap (but same as everyone else) is one thing...but working for less than your fellow band mates does not fly.

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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2006, 11:01 AM »

I told the singer I wouldn't do the gig again under those conditions, and she was very cool with it, which she demonstrated by booking me for another night at a different place.
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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2006, 11:46 AM »

I told the singer I wouldn't do the gig again under those conditions, and she was very cool with it, which she demonstrated by booking me for another night at a different place.

bravo.

you are a gifted and experienced musician, and deserve to be compensated for that. i'm glad you held your ground!

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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2006, 10:54 PM »

Oh, I'll still work cheap, as long as everybody else in the band is.

I'm playing a free gig next week, and have to drive to downtown Dallas for a rehearsal three days before.  Don't ask why.  I think I had a brain lock.
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