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« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2006, 02:30 PM »

Hey Mr. A, did the doc say what can possibly cause this?  Maybe from repetitive motion?  I have a similar situation in my left elbow-and its to the point I can hardly deal with it.  So I'm interested in what the poss. causes may be.  I have the distinct feeling my situation will require surgery.  Dang-anti inflammatory drugs and patience?  Thats pretty rough my friend.....
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« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2006, 02:50 PM »

No, no specific cause. Sometimes it's the result of a specific injury, but sometimes it "just happens."

I went to an acupuncturist last night, and was VERY impressed by the results. In just one visit, he definitely increased my range of motion - mostly by sticking needles in my left ankle, of all places - and helped reduce my pain. It was my first experience with acupuncture, but I am definitely going back!

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« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2006, 03:31 PM »

No, no specific cause. Sometimes it's the result of a specific injury, but sometimes it "just happens."

I went to an acupuncturist last night, and was VERY impressed by the results. In just one visit, he definitely increased my range of motion - mostly by sticking needles in my left ankle, of all places - and helped reduce my pain. It was my first experience with acupuncture, but I am definitely going back!


Cool-Im down for alternative medicine.  My wife swears by accupuncture.  And its been used successfully for thousands of years too.  Glad to hear about the positive results!
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« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2006, 04:44 PM »

       That's cool.     How much do they charge for something like that...like by the hour, half hour??    I think I'm going to have to check into some of that.
      Did they offer any advice on diet, supplements, herbs?     Did they tell you to wait before you try to practice, give it time to soak in?
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« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2006, 08:21 PM »

       That's cool.     How much do they charge for something like that...like by the hour, half hour??    I think I'm going to have to check into some of that.
      Did they offer any advice on diet, supplements, herbs?     Did they tell you to wait before you try to practice, give it time to soak in?

The initial visit was $85, and I think subsequent ones are $65. I had a long interview with the guy, then I was probably on the table for about 20 minutes. Didn't hurt, and was a very interesting experience. He also gave me an herbal supplement that is supposed to be geared for chronic neck and shoulder pain - I forgot to take it today - oops.

But I was amazed at the level of improvement I experienced from just that one visit. The only painful part is when he's identifying your various pressure points - he found a particularly sensitive part of my arm, but that was no biggie compared to chronic pain I've been experiencing.

He warned me not to push myself too hard, but I'm playing a gig this weekend - can't get out of it - so we'll see how it goes. It's a mellow gig - the worst part will be setting up, not playing. And yes, my cymbals will be LOW!
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« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2006, 08:36 PM »

Acupuncture is great stuff, esp. useful for pain. The Chinese even use it as anesthesia for minor surgeries!
 And for those who think it's all subjective, I've had acupuncture done on my dog and one of my horses, and it especially helped the dog a great deal! The horse has done much better w/ massage therapy.
 Glad to hear it's working for you!!

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« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2006, 09:33 AM »

What kind of supplement is that?
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« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2006, 10:54 AM »

What kind of supplement is that?

#3521 from this list. It contains about 20 different herbs, but I can't find a list of them online.

http://www.evherb.com/Products/evergreencollection_list9.htm
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« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2006, 12:13 PM »

that's cool; glad you had success. did he heat up the needles at all? sometimes they do that for added benefit. the dude i went to wiggled the needles around a bit, too. it didn't hurt at all. it was actually very relaxing.

how many sessions did he suggest?
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« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2006, 05:03 PM »

Mr A., great to hear the accupunture helps.
I know it does wonders for me. I actually fell asleep the first time I had it done.
The thing about your ankle controlling your shoulder, yeah, crazy isnt it.
The feet control the liver. Who would have thought!
Looks like the cymbals will rise again, I knew they would.
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« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2006, 12:09 PM »

Hi Keith,

How has your shoulder been feeling? I hope it's much better lately.

I'm ignorant about this, and I was wondering if you knew. Doesn't the pain indicate a "structural" problem of some kind in the muscles or ligaments? And doesn't acupuncture only interrupt the nerves which are signaling the pain to the brain? If so, wouldn't the "structural" problem remain, and potentially become much worse -- even though the pain is minimized?

What can you do to address the cause of the pain?
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« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2006, 12:40 PM »

Hi Keith,

How has your shoulder been feeling? I hope it's much better lately.

I'm ignorant about this, and I was wondering if you knew. Doesn't the pain indicate a "structural" problem of some kind in the muscles or ligaments? And doesn't acupuncture only interrupt the nerves which are signaling the pain to the brain? If so, wouldn't the "structural" problem remain, and potentially become much worse -- even though the pain is minimized?

What can you do to address the cause of the pain?

I'm no expert on this, although I'm learning more every day. My shoulder still sucks. It hurts a lot when I make certain small moves - a paralyzing jolt of pain that takes a minute or two to subside. And I'm incredibly restricted in terms of motion. It's enough to make me cranky.  Angry

The acupuncture does NOT mask the pain. If anything, I'm more sore after an acupuncture session. But it does remarkable things for increasing my range of motion. But so far those increases have been temporary. But it has helped with lessening the inflammation - it's really interesting to feel the changes that can occur in just half an hour - I wouldn't have believed it until I tried it. I've been taking very few painkillers, because like you I'm concerned that if I simply mask the pain, I'll hurt myself worse.

Unfortunately the nature of this injury is such that you have to basically wait for it to heal. I may not even be experiencing the worst of it yet, a thought that chills me. The root of the problem with a frozen shoulder injury is under the arm, yet the most intense pain is felt on the outside and front of the arm - very weird. So I assume the pain is all nerve-generated, although the muscles get pretty cranky from all the compensating they're doing.

Thanks for asking.



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« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2006, 07:34 PM »

Yikes! Don't get cranky right around Halloween! A cranky Mr. A.... now that would be scary! Wink

Again, I admit ignorance, but it seems to me that $85/treatment is a lot to pay for pain relief and increased circulation.

I guess I'd go the sports medicine route of icing, and perhaps ibuprofen for inflammation; and heat, massage, and gentle exercise for increasing circulation.

Anyway, it's a rough deal that there doesn't seem to be a clear cause or treatment protocol for this condition. I guess just really take it easy, and presumably it should ease-up, huh?

Meanwhile, it's a good opportunity to work on soft brush technique... work on pedal patterns... post new "Grooves of Doom" at your web site.... Smiley
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« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2006, 08:45 PM »

I second the sports medicine.  The doctors who specialize in this are geared to getting the athlete back on the field as soon as possible.  I go to a masseuse and the deep tissue work has helped my range of motion.  I could move the cymbals back up now but Ive learned to like them low.
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« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2006, 08:11 PM »

I haven't posted about this, but I've been in a lot of pain in recent weeks. After working my way through the quicksand of the US healthcare system, I finally got to see an orthopedic doctor today, who confirmed that I have a disorder called frozen shoulder. My right arm has a very limited range of motion, and certain movements cause excruciating jolts of pain to shoot through me.

The good news is I don't need surgery. The bad news is this could take two years or more to heal. I've been given a series of exercises intended to rebuild my range of motion, and a short steroid-pack prescription to help decrease the inflammation. Other than that, my doctor precribed patience.

The causes of this are unknown, and there's no evidence that drumming caused it - although I've certainly put my arms through a lot, this disorder is not always tied to specific injuries. So I guess the other good news is that none of you are in any greater danger of experiencing this because you play drums.

I'm just bummed. As health problems go, things could obviously be WAY worse, but as a drummer, this is definitely gonna cramp my style.   Sad
Hey Mr. A,
Your shoulder injury is over 2 months old.  My mother inlaw had a frozen shoulder once and the
doctors blamed it on running a weed eater all day but in your case it is different.  I was just wondering if you are starting to see any improvement?  I think hers was rehabed in about 3 or 4 months but I am sure everyone is different?
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« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2006, 08:58 PM »

Hey Mr. A,
Your shoulder injury is over 2 months old.  My mother inlaw had a frozen shoulder once and the
doctors blamed it on running a weed eater all day but in your case it is different.  I was just wondering if you are starting to see any improvement?  I think hers was rehabed in about 3 or 4 months but I am sure everyone is different?
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No, it's not going very well, but thanks for asking. After repeated visits to my orthopedist, this week I've started an intensive regimen of physical therapy with a person who specializes in shoulders - we'll see if it helps.
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« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2006, 09:45 PM »

No, it's not going very well, but thanks for asking. After repeated visits to my orthopedist, this week I've started an intensive regimen of physical therapy with a person who specializes in shoulders - we'll see if it helps.
Good luck with it Mr. A and please keep us updated.  We are pulling and praying for you here.
I will bet the therapy will help!!
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« Reply #37 on: December 14, 2006, 11:57 AM »

No, it's not going very well, but thanks for asking. After repeated visits to my orthopedist, this week I've started an intensive regimen of physical therapy with a person who specializes in shoulders - we'll see if it helps.

well that's a bummer. but it does sound like a longer-range ailment.

physical therapy is amazing, though. very uncomfortable and/or painful at times, but the benefits outweigh any discomfort.

good luck and 'think healing thoughts'!
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« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2006, 05:23 PM »

Hang in there Mr. A. I suspect a good long time of taking it really easy, along with some therapy and gentle exercise to keep things loose, will eventually resolve the problem, and you'll be good as new. Good luck!
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« Reply #39 on: January 01, 2007, 02:15 PM »

No, no specific cause. Sometimes it's the result of a specific injury, but sometimes it "just happens."

I went to an acupuncturist last night, and was VERY impressed by the results. In just one visit, he definitely increased my range of motion - mostly by sticking needles in my left ankle, of all places - and helped reduce my pain. It was my first experience with acupuncture, but I am definitely going back!



Wow this is interesting! I have always considered trying acupuncture for my various physical ailments but I've never heard someone else's experience. Feel better. I can understand how losing a hobby you love for a while could get you down a bit. You'll be back!

-Feel better.
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