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« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2006, 10:00 AM » |
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I just wanted to add one more:
Omar Hakim, David Bowie, Let's Dance
Hakim has a signature bounce in his playing that I can only attribute to someone who grew up dancing rather than drumming. He definitely likes the R&B side of things, and hasn't really been seen showing off his chops for some time. A lot of drummers from the 80s talk about the first time they heard Rosanna, and how it made them really stop in their tracks. This song did it for me. The beat is Pop 101, but the way Hakim plays it, it sounds like rhythm on a live wire -- even with the dead over-processed sounds.
Funny, I logged on just to add Omar Hakim on Sting's "The Dream of the Blue Turtles". His take on the whole "Rosanna", rolling triplet groove on "Shadows in the Rain" still rates as my favorite example of this type groove. It came across my Ipod this week while traveling and I realized how much of an influence this album had on my approach to learning new styles in high school. I remeber when MD printed a transcript of " ...Consider Me Gone" and how blown away by the simplicity of the drum part, yet was so integral to the song. |
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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2006, 06:12 PM » |
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Funny, I logged on just to add Omar Hakim on Sting's "The Dream of the Blue Turtles". His take on the whole "Rosanna", rolling triplet groove on "Shadows in the Rain" still rates as my favorite example of this type groove. It came across my Ipod this week while traveling and I realized how much of an influence this album had on my approach to learning new styles in high school. I remeber when MD printed a transcript of " ...Consider Me Gone" and how blown away by the simplicity of the drum part, yet was so integral to the song.
The filmed version of that song rates as one of the best openers in rock music history. Omar came out blazing on that one. That one is impressive because the tempo is FAST but he somehow maintains the integrity of the triplets. There's no flattening to eighth notes, no drag or rush. It still sits right in that magical shuffle pocket. Very, very impressive. |
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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2006, 07:31 PM » |
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I'm not reading through this whole thread to see if it's here, but here's one that comes to mind among many...
Golden Earring / Twilight Zone
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« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2006, 03:35 PM » |
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Omar came out blazing on that one. That one is impressive because the tempo is FAST but he somehow maintains the integrity of the triplets.
I thought the topic was straight grooves.........now we're back to showboating.   |
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« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2006, 04:48 PM » |
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first straight grove I ever. Can't Get Enough of Your Love" by Bad Company. Simple groove, but very easy to ruin by rushing or by not having quite the right lilt in the bass drum. In fact, a lot of material from that album would qualify for my under this thread. Cheers, Bob
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« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2006, 06:39 PM » |
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Can't Get Enough of Your Love" by Bad Company. Not my kind of music, but great groove! a lot of material from that album would qualify Absolutely. |
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« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2006, 11:09 PM » |
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The first one I ever heard to make me notice drums, Get Ready, by the Temptations, Benny Benjamen,also Rare Earths version with Floyd. That backbeat cracks.
Benjamen also played on Stevie Wonders Uptight
Watching the Dectives by Elvis Costello,Steve Goulding
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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2006, 12:26 AM » |
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Ringo - I Feel Fine (had to get the man out of the way first)
Andy Newmark - His Name Is Legs (Ladies And Gentlemen) <George Harrison>
Levon Helm - Ophelia <The Band>
Danny Seraphine - Does Anybody Really Know What time It Is? <Chicago>
Dino Dinelli - I've Been Lonely To Long <Rascals>
Henry Spinetti - I Cant Stand It <Eric Clapton>
Michael Botts - Let Your Love Go <Bread>
Tony Brock - Head First <The Babys>
Liberty Devito - The Stranger <Billy Joel>
,,,,and anything Jim Keltner, Hal Blaine, Russ Kunkel, Jim Gordon, and Gary Chester played on.
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« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2006, 07:58 PM » |
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Too many to pick "favorites" but here are a couple that come to mind: "Storm" et al from Stanley Turrentine's album "Salt Song" with Ron Carter, Airto Moierera, Billy Cobhamhttp://www.amazon.com/Salt-Song-Stanley-Turrentine/dp/B000002AGS/sr=1-1/qid=1161828070/ref=sr_1_1/002-7621807-8254402?ie=UTF8&s=music"Two Princes" from Spin Doctors, Aaron Comess, drums. http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Aaron_Comess.html"Guilty" Barbra Streisand, The Bee Gees, Steve Gadd, drums. Gadd sounds like he's caressing his snare on this track. His touch is incredible... almost like a symphonic snare drum technique. His toms and fills sound sweet also. "What is Hip?" Tower of Power, David Garibaldi. |
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« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2006, 04:42 AM » |
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"What is Hip?" Tower of Power, David Garibaldi.
Hardly straight, great though the drumming is. I mean we're talking basic good grooves here. |
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« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2006, 09:12 AM » |
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"Hard Days Night." I think it was the first "no fills" groove and inspired me with the driving feel.
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« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2006, 09:19 AM » |
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Hardly straight, great though the drumming is.
I mean we're talking basic good grooves here.
That's what kept me out of this thread from the start. The definition of a "straight groove" wouldnt even include shuffles in my opinion. To me, a straight groove would be quarter or eighth note based and not too complicated, not too many fills either. A "good" straight groove would be the above plus a killer feel. That's just me though, I guess. e.g. What Is Hip has a good bit of linear stuff in it, far from straight in my mind.  Steve Jordan on Soul Man comes to mind as an example of a good straight groove to me. |
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« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2006, 10:03 AM » |
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Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but AC/DC has a lot of great simple grooves. John Bonham, too.
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« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2006, 10:41 AM » |
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That's what kept me out of this thread from the start.
The definition of a "straight groove" wouldn’t even include shuffles in my opinion.
I'll have to agree with you here, Christopher which is why my post was "You Don't Know How it Feels". I took the title of the thread to mean straight 8th note or quarter note based grooves with no fills. Shuffles, linear, fusion, etc... do not constitute straight grooves in my opinion. JeepnDrummer, you nailed it with the AC/DC contribution. Awesome straight grooves, every one. You know what I love about AC/DC? They are the heaviest rock and roll band in the universe and do not play one single ballad. |
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« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2006, 12:11 PM » |
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Hardly straight, great though the drumming is.
I mean we're talking basic good grooves here.
Hey man, for D.G. that is a straight groove! But, yea, you're right. I was really only thinking of that oil-slick groove he lays down in the 16-bar intro; and I didn't know a straight groove could only be quarter or eighth note based. I mistakenly thought the thread was referring to outstanding grooves of whatever style -- as opposed to chops, soloing, rudimentary prowess, speed, etc. I had never heard of a type of playing specifically called a "straight groove"; I guess none of the tracks I mentioned would qualify. |
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« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2006, 01:31 PM » |
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The definition of a "straight groove" wouldnt even include shuffles in my opinion.
Interesting. I guess you'd have to remove a number of the entries in my post because they were definitely shuffles. Looks like I'm in the minority here but I don't see why a straightforward steady shuffle can't "groove". |
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« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2006, 02:34 PM » |
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Interesting. I guess you'd have to remove a number of the entries in my post because they were definitely shuffles. Looks like I'm in the minority here but I don't see why a straightforward steady shuffle can't "groove".
I think a shuffle can and most often does groove. But I would not call it straight (duple meter). A shuffle is more along the lines of swing (triple meter). The title of the thread is Favorite straight groove recordings. That's where at least my comments came from. |
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« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2006, 04:15 PM » |
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Although I pretty much agree with Christopher, I took the meaning of the title to be straight ahead (as in uncomplicated). Strictly speaking, the term 'straight' is understood by many musicians to mean not shuffled or swung. However, I'm going to continue to regard this thread as a place to recommend simple, but killer grooves, straight 8 (or 16) or shuffle. A lot of Gadd's grooves and almost all of Garibaldi's are in the category 'complicated' IMO. They incorporate a lot of technical riffs and syncopation......and we haven't heard that word in a while.  |
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« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2006, 04:37 PM » |
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Although I pretty much agree with Christopher, I took the meaning of the title to be straight ahead (as in uncomplicated). Strictly speaking, the term 'straight' is understood by many musicians to mean not shuffled or swung. (bolding mine) ah, interesting. i also took it to mean uncomplicated; but now that you mention 'not swung' [which i didn't even think to consider, as my head was in pop music mode], i realize that's another variable. coz i think of 'straight' swing and 'broken' swing; straight being the 'simpler' classic swing pattern. not that it really matters, though, coz i suspect we're mainly talking pop stuff. |
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« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2006, 04:50 PM » |
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I intended this thread to be a place to talk about the grooves that *feel* good, and don't really relate to revolving drum sets hung 100 feet above the stage or some clinician ripping off 32nd note paradiddles on the bass drums. I thought the term was fairly open to interpretation, and didn't have to settle within narrow boundaries, but the groove should probably emphasize 2 & 4 at the very least.
To me, an outstanding example of a straight groove is why a drummer gets hired for a big money gig, and not neccesarily why a drummer gets voted for in the Modern Drummer polls. I thought someone might mention Stan Lynch and Steve Ferrone for their work with Tom Petty. Not my kind of music, but I'm dazzled by the forceful simplicity of their drum work with him.
Straight grooves don't have to be limited to cavemen rockers. More often than not, the best straight grooves require deft skill, limber hands, and dancing feet to pull off.
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