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« on: October 12, 2006, 02:35 PM »

This is for Chris Whitten, who is a pro's pro and wants to educate the kiddies more about drummers with taste and conviction. I'm sure this will become a long list of everything ever recorded by Led Zeppelin, Steely Dan, and Toto, so I'm going to stretch a little and list some things that may not be on others' lists. These are still some of my all-time favorite drum tracks, chops or no chops:

Manu Katche, Sting, the entire All This Time recording.
This stuff is soooo good, and his playing sits so comfortably between some very hip upright bass lines and keyboard riffs. It's just a great groove from start to finish, but especially on Set Them Free and All This Time. Also love his playing on Hounds of Winter, but that's slightly more of a chops fest.

Kenny Aronoff, John Cougar Mellancamp, Jack and Diane
Just a stellar drum track. The drums sound perfect for the song, extremely powerful, and the fill leading into the drum break is unforgettable. Love the little twist on the drum break. An air drumming classic in the Gaddabout household.

Chris Whitten, Edie Brickel and the New Bohemians, What I Am
Before anyone accuses me of pandering, I've mentioned this song among my favorites for years on this board. It brought me back to radio at a time when acoustic drums and great shuffle feels just weren't very hip. I love the subtlety of the playing. It sounds like something Keltner would've done in the 70s.

Jeff Porcaro, Boz Scaggs, Lido Shuffle
Porcaro in an unsung shufflin' moment. Only Jeff had the hands to pull this off so deftly. I'm told he wrote this song, but Scaggs and David Paich are listed as the authors.

Steve Smith, Journey, Open Arms
Smith wrote the book on rock ballad drumming. At least for me. This is the standard song I refer back to when asked to play rock ballads.

Bill Maxwell, Andrae Crouch, Soon and Very Soon
If I had never heard this song, I probably would've ended up a piano player. But I heard it, and I've been banging on something ever since. Just ... wow, soulful playing.

Rick Marotta, Steely Dan, Peg
This is a classic I have to mention. Tasteful and unique, but low down on the funk.

Andy Newmark, Sly and the Family Stone, the entire Fresh album
Andy invented modern funk drumming. This is the seminal album in which he did it.

Adrian Young, No Doubt, Hella Good
Young spent 3 montns before recording this album practicing to every Steely Dan record in his collection. It really shows. The playing on this song classifies as a true next generation groove classic, IMO.

I'm running out of time, but I love Jack DeJohnnette with the McCoy Tyner Trio, anything Max Roach has ever touched, and Nigel Olson has laid down three decades of tasty rock drums for Elton John.
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2006, 03:03 PM »

Simple, effective. . .  Some Kinda Wonderful - Grand Funk, Don Brewer
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2006, 03:24 PM »

On Tom Petty's 'You Don't Know How it Feels', Steve Ferrone lays down the perfect groove.  It's so nice, I almost don't notice that there's not a fill in the tune.
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2006, 05:04 PM »

HI Gaddabout,
I'm flattered you've started this topic just for me Grin......and again, flattered my work is even included.
Strictly speaking I wouldn't include 'What I Am' as it's one of the more complicated grooves I've ever performed.
Yeah........ I usually play simple (simply I mean).  Tongue  Grin
Firstly, I should direct you all immediately to Mr Acrolite's webpage 'Grooves Of Doom':
http://www.keithcronin.com/groovedoom.html
I'm not a walking encyclopedia of great grooves, but here are afew important ones (IMO) that come immediately to mind. Often the drumming is very straightforward, but the drums are played in such a way as to groove like crazy in conjunction with guitar, bass and percussion.
What Cha Gonna Do For Me - Chaka Khan - Steve Ferrone (awesome drumming and drum sound!!!)
Good Times - Chic - Tony Thompson (RIP)
Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough - Michael Jackson - In his prime (plus great percussion)
Superstition - Stevie Wonder - Probably wrote the book on 1&3, 2&4 drumming. Is Stevie playing the kit? I think so.
The Pinnochio Theory - Bootsy's Rubber Band - Demonstrates Bootsy's own theory that a heavy emphasis on beat 1 is funky.
London Calling - The Clash - Just four beats per bar, played with bags of attitude.
Star - Earth, Wind & Fire - I could have chosen anything. This one has a lazy offbeat hi-hat pattern I like though.
Chameleon - Herbie Hancock/Headhunters - Harvey Mason at his best, not to forget Bill Summers.
Sexy MF (the title can't be published on a family forum Roll Eyes ) - Prince (Sexy remix) Snare and bass drum playing on the wrong beats!!!
Babylon Sisters - Steely Dan - Bernard Purdie - Arguably his finest hour. Even the crosstick intro has an amazing attitude and groove.
Still Life In Mobile Homes - Japan - Drummer Steve Jansen grooves like crazy on one of the weirdest drumbeats I've ever heard; snare backbeat on beats 1 & 2, lots of off-beat tom hits and programmed elements too.
Footsteps In The Dark - The Isley Brothers - A ballad, but guitarist Ron Isley, who plays the drums, comes up with a very odd hi-hat pattern....and he makes it groove.
I derive as much inspiration from programmed and sampled drumming as I do the 'real' thing.
The following often feature a live drummer anyway.
Amazon Adventure - Azymuth (Jazzanova remix)
Musique Non Stop - Kraftwerk A B-Boy beat. Again, there are lots of songs I could have chosen. Karftwerk were the first band that showed machines could groove.
Trans Fatty Acid - Lamb (Kruder and Dorfmeister remix)
Channel 1 Suite - The Cinematic Orchestra - More weird hi-hat work on live drums, all over a latin/jazz crosstick loop.
Building Steam With A Grain Of Salt - DJ Shadow
Slave To The Rhythm - Grace Jones - Awesome production and drum/percussion assemblage by Trevor Horn/Steve Lipson.
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2006, 05:09 PM »

i was also thinking tom petty. 'wildflowers' has some great drum tracks.

stevie wonder's 'innervisions'


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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2006, 05:52 PM »

A couple of my own favorites:

Manu Katche:  Sting's Soul Cages.  The whole album, but especially the title track.

Steve Gadd:  Grover Washington Jr's. Winelight (esp. the track, "Make Me A Memory").  What a rhythm section:  Gadd, Marcus Miller, Eric Gale, Richard Tee, Ralph MacDonald.

John Robinson:  Rufus, Stompin' At The Savoy.  The whole album kills, but "Ain't That Peculiar" is a highlight in my book.

Carlton Barrett:  just about anything he did with Bob Marley, but esp. "Could You Be Loved."

Gilson Lavis with Squeeze:  "Tempted"

Don Alias:  Joni Mitchell's Shadows And Light, esp. "Free Man In Paris" and "In France They Kiss On Main Street."

And just because you know I had to come in with one from left field:

Jaco Pastorius:  "Teen Town" on Weather Report's Heavy Weather.

Now I'll just stand back and wait for everyone else to list all the obvious choices that I've overlooked.  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2006, 06:01 PM »

FWIW, I also like these:

Kenny Aronoff, John Cougar Mellancamp, Jack and Diane
Rick Marotta, Steely Dan, Peg

Carlton Barrett:  just about anything he did with Bob Marley, but esp. "Could You Be Loved."
Gilson Lavis with Squeeze:  "Tempted"
Jaco Pastorius:  "Teen Town" on Weather Report's Heavy Weather.
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2006, 07:03 PM »

Since I just got done playing to these tunes earlier this evening:

Ken Blevins - On John Hiatt's "Slow Turning" CD.  Songs "Trudy and Dave", "Ride Along", and "It'll Come to You".  Nothing fancy, just really great grooves.

Ricky Fataar - On Bonnie Raitt's "Luck of the Draw" CD.  "No Business", hmm, written by John Hiatt.  One fat groove.

Steve Gadd - On the Eric Clapton/B.B. King CD.  "Ridin' with the King".  hmm, again, written by John Hiatt.  Love the hi-hat work.

Did I mention I really like John Hiatt?

Stanton Moore - On Galactic's "Crazyhorse Mongoose" CD.  "Hamp's Hump" has a groove so deep, you can fall into it.

Johnny Vidacovich - On Anders Osborne's "Living Room" CD.  "Two Times".  On grooving shuffle with the bass drum booming on "3".


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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2006, 10:35 AM »

i dunno who the drummers were on any of these, but i always liked the grooves on tunes from the o'jays, ohio players and tavares. also love the 'peg' and 'josie' grooves from steely dan [esp. the tom-tom sounds on josie...so earthy!] stuff off michael jackson's 'off the wall.' [ie; i wanna rock with you], gladys knight & the pips. for quirkier grooves, i like a lot of steve coleman stuff off 'curves of life' and 'genesis & the opening of the way,' among others.



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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2006, 04:09 PM »

'Off The Wall' is a great drumming album.
Was that J R Robinson?
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2006, 04:35 PM »

'Off The Wall' is a great drumming album.
Was that J R Robinson?

Yep.
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2006, 04:39 PM »

'Off The Wall' is a great drumming album.
Was that J R Robinson?

I don't know if he played on all of the tracks or just some of them, but that album is indeed listed in his discography:

http://www.johnjrrobinson.com/JR-pages/JR-discography-full.html
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2006, 05:58 PM »

I just wanted to add one more:

Omar Hakim, David Bowie, Let's Dance
Hakim has a signature bounce in his playing that I can only attribute to someone who grew up dancing rather than drumming. He definitely likes the R&B side of things, and hasn't really been seen showing off his chops for some time. A lot of drummers from the 80s talk about the first time they heard Rosanna, and how it made them really stop in their tracks. This song did it for me. The beat is Pop 101, but the way Hakim plays it, it sounds like rhythm on a live wire -- even with the dead over-processed sounds.
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2006, 06:28 PM »

yeah, great track.
Speaking of Bowie, the following added a touch of class to his 'Young Americans' sessions:
David Sanborn:sax: Willie Weeks: bass: Andy Newmark: drums.
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2006, 06:45 PM »

I just have a couple:

"Baby I Love U" by Jennifer Lopez, featuring Omar Hakim. Thumping, deep groove, meaningful, only song I like of hers.

"A Lover's Holiday" by Change, appearing on their 1980 album The Glow Of Love.  This is pretty much my favorite groove as of current.  It's just a steady beat, but it's persistent, and the hi-hat is played in such a naughty fashion.  You can hear it here, but the good hi-hat part during the chorus is omitted.

And, why not---I'll include "The Glow Of Love" from the same album.  Similar naughty hat, along with Mr. Vandross's dulcet vocals.
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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2006, 07:09 PM »

I used to like 'Change'.  Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2006, 07:40 PM »

In the city-Eagles/Walsh
Youve got to serve somebody-Dylan-Pick Withers drums
Rebel Rebel Bowie-Drums?
Waitin for the bus ZZ-Top-Frank Beard
Bang a gong- T-Rex, drums?
Pump- Jeff Beck- Simon Phillips
Day Tripper- Ringo
Pink Caddilac- Aretha Franklin- Narada Michael Waldon.
Oh Sherrie- Steve Perry, Larrie Londin.
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« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2006, 12:51 PM »

I just wanted to add one more:
Omar Hakim, David Bowie, Let's Dance.....................
Wow, and all these years I thought Tony Thompson played on "Let's Dance".  I know he played on some cuts off that album.
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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2006, 03:09 PM »

Oh man, so many to choose from!  Im sure once I finish I will think of a totally different list-but here goes.......

Stevie Wonder-Superstitious
Dusty Springfield-Son of a Preacherman
Bad Company-Ready for Love
Bob Dylan-Brass Bed
John Lee Hooker/Bonnie Raitt-Im in the Mood
Elton John-Rocket Man
Elton John-Love lies bleeding
Don Henly-Boys of Summer
Pixies-Chained (anything by this band)
Tom Petty-Runnin down a dream
Bob Seger-Hollywood Nights
Eric Clapton-The Core
Frank Sinatra-Ive got you under my skin
Joan Jett-I hate myself for lovin you
Quicksilver Messenger Service-ANYTHING!!!!!!
Beatles-Helter Skelter
Wings-Rockhestra (Bonham)
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« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2006, 04:07 PM »

Stevie Wonder-Superstitious
Superstition.

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Don Henly-Boys of Summer

A great groove. For the purists out there it is programmed drums however.
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