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« on: December 12, 2006, 08:31 PM »

This is a true stuggle for me, Whenever I ever try playing a fast rock song, like some songs by Avenge Sevenfold (holy Jesus they're kinda insane for me, really awkward rythms they have. I get the beat right, but whenever it comes to those really tight, small pauses where it's a sweet point for a fill, I always screw over, and I flood over the fill, masking the timing.  I mean I go way off beat, and I have to wait and listen before startin again, I've tried doin a simple 16th note cycle with the toms and snare, and the classic snare 32nd roll.  But, I've been wantin to rack up some more fills to make it not sound like I'm playin the same thing over and over again, including on them 5-minute songs.  Also, I've been trying to figure out more fast rock rythms other than the common 8th not bass, 8th note snare.  I've forgotten the Chelsyea beats (I even forgot part of the name) . But if any could lend some tips it'd be appreciated.
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2006, 05:41 AM »

Well, I guess you understand that you need to play fast 16th and 32nd note fills.  Ok

Identify how much space or how many measures you want to fill and where in the song and chart it out.  Transcribing music is very good for learning how to play it.

Work out some hip fills slow and build them up to speed with a click.  Always start slow and be sure of what you are playing.  If you are getting off beat in your fills, quit playing them until you isolate your problems.  Blowing groove is bad enough, but going off beat is unacceptable.

Try playing the new fills in your song.

You could always change genre's of music to practice also- something slower and groovier, more mainstream and go back to the hard stuff later.  I switch around all the time- keeps it fresh and usually when I come back to something I get further along than the previous studies.
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2006, 01:45 PM »

I once had an instructor tell me to stop practicing drumming and practice being a drummer. I think he meant sometimes you just have to sit down and work out the guilty pleasures of drumming, such as getting around the kit in bombastic way.

Very simple exercise that should help you:

While keeping time with your left foot hi-hat, play eighth-notes from snare down your tom line and back. If that feels good, kick up the tempo.

Graduate from eighth notes to sixteenth notes to 32nd notes around the kit. If you do that every day for six months, you should be able to handle the basic "fast rock fills" that come your way. But if you REALLY want to enjoy this, take the same exercise and break it up. Change which drums you fill on, alternate between sixteenths, triplets, eighths, 32nds. That's the kind of experimentation with a simple exercise that will really help you get around the kit, and you probably will want to use more of your own fills rather than someone else's.
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2006, 03:24 PM »

While keeping time with your left foot hi-hat, play eighth-notes from snare down your tom line and back. If that feels good, kick up the tempo.

i think this is a really important thing to remember, b/c i've seen a lot of drummers stop playing the hats when they go to fill or solo, and imho, it sounds flat that way. that little hat ching adds a nice flavor and states the time.

only thing i would add to the breaking up the note values thing is incorporating the bass drum into your fills. this opened a whole new dimension for me. whether you stick them in on the front, middle or back end of the fill, getting that 'womph' generally sounds and feels really good. it's hard to get the hang of, especially when you start to throw in doubles, but it's cool to hear.
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2006, 08:08 PM »

Dude..playin fast is not going to mean anything if u don't add some flavor to the fills. Try this first: practice the different rudiments at a slow tempo. Then try different combinations with the rudiments. After that increase the tempo at which to practice. Oh, I almost forgot to say try including the bass drum in ur fills and like smoggrocks said...adding the hit-hat in between makes sound even sweeter or any cymbal during the fill for that matter (it not only adds flavor but it adds some form of complexity to it Wink). So as i said at the start, don't worry about playin fast...cause i took me a while before i could play 32nd notes at 150bpm...and all that speed and control ment nothing if i didn't have some form of variety. (At least this is my opinion on what u should do.)
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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2006, 12:35 PM »

You have got to work on your fills (as well as other stuff) with a metronome!!!  And I believe it will help a lot if you keep time with the hihat.  Don't sit down and try it fast immediately.  Warm up first for at least 15 minutes doing basic rudiments.  First practice two beat fills (in  4/4 time) starting on on 3 and make sure you finish your fill exactly on 1.  Don't worry about fast until you can do this.  Then work on one measure or 4 beat fills, etc.  If you want to play with other musicians, work on clean and accurate before fast. 
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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2006, 03:13 PM »

You have got to work on your fills (as well as other stuff) with a metronome!!!  And I believe it will help a lot if you keep time with the hihat.  Don't sit down and try it fast immediately.  Warm up first for at least 15 minutes doing basic rudiments.  First practice two beat fills (in  4/4 time) starting on on 3 and make sure you finish your fill exactly on 1.  Don't worry about fast until you can do this.  Then work on one measure or 4 beat fills, etc.  If you want to play with other musicians, work on clean and accurate before fast. 

That's great advice.

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