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« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2007, 04:20 AM »

I'd give that symbol the hardest crack I could and scare'm into dropping his cig. Then I'd say 'Oh I'm sorry. Did my ciggarette lighter give you a scare?"
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« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2007, 08:08 AM »

the bigger issue, which someone mentioned, is peoples' lack of boundaries when it comes to drums...you wouldn't start messing around with the dentists' tools when you[re in for a filling, would you? yet many people just cant keep their hands off drums when they see them...i guess its just a natural human instinct to want to touch drums when they are sitting there... Cool
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« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2007, 09:45 AM »

What would you do?

It happened to a friend of mine, a dude walked up and struck a wooden match across a nice shiny new Zildjian and left a mark.

My friend punched him!

I'm shaking my head in dismay at the comments recommending a violent physical reaction.

Folks, you could and probably should go to jail for hitting someone under those circumstances. How would you like jail time? How would you like having a conviction for assault on your record? Even if you plea bargain, do you realize how much defense-attorneys charge?

Secondly, the guy might have violent tendencies of his own, and you can't necessarily tell what his skill-set might be -- e.g., boxing, martial arts....

Third, the guy might have friends.

Fourth, the guy might make a mental note of the name of the band and "revisit" the issue at another time, another gig. We are in the public eye; we are NOT anonymous.

Fifth, the punch could lead to major damage and lawsuits that you could be paying for physically and monetarily for a looooong time! Something like this could easily escalate, and as Chrisso mentioned, you could break your hand or worse... damage equipment, damage property at the venue, etc....

Lighten up boys!  Roll Eyes

P.S., I played a club on Broadway in San Francisco one night when a tussle broke out in the audience, and really quickly it turned into a knife fight -- right in front of the stage; the bouncers took it outside, and the police took it from there... we kept playing.

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« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2007, 10:06 AM »

I would tell him to never do that again please and if that was enought to make him want to take a swing at me then so be it. I am all for avoiding the fight if possible but when he takes a swing at me the whole situation will change. 
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« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2007, 10:17 PM »

Hilarious! But remember, you have the power of the microphone. I would probably harass the guy until he got embarrassed enough to leave or the bouncers took him out. Perhaps WD40 on your cymbals would prevent that from happening again...
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« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2007, 04:52 AM »

Hilarious! But remember, you have the power of the microphone. I would probably harass the guy until he got embarrassed enough to leave or the bouncers took him out. Perhaps WD40 on your cymbals would prevent that from happening again...
Unwanted finger prints bother me.  The WD40 would bother me even worst.
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« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2007, 11:00 AM »

I mostly play at church so fortunately, I haven't had any of these problems!   Grin  However, I do notice a general sense of disrespect for drummer's gear.  I think that since we hit our instruments then the average person figures they must be indestructable and not worthy of respect.   Huh   

I must admit that our guitarist and bassist play in a band outside of church and one of their sons played drums for them.  He had an inexpensive kit and was quite a basher.  Every once in a while they'd do something that indicated that they had a bit of an attitude about how the church's drums (and drums in general) were less than stellar.  So I started chatting-up the virtues of the gear and explaining the details of how the cymbals/drums were made and why I chose each piece for the church kit.  (I donated it.)  They admitted they had no idea how much was involved and how expensive the stuff could get. 

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« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2007, 09:40 PM »

my good friend who plays bass thought it was funny to hit one of my cymbals with the end of his guitar while playing (both of us). not real hard but it was the parts that you twist so the strings get tighter and looser... any way the metel to metel contact didnt sit well with me so i finally told him to stop, he started to act like i was tripping then i said "listen, this cymbal is worth more than your whole guitar" ( i have... a few.) shut his ass right up!
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« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2007, 11:41 PM »

Let me first say that i don't play in places like that anymore i only play in church.  But i have been a police officer for the last 23 years.  I don't think i could let that slide, but as others have said no need to resort to a physical encounter.  However, if after giving the guy a peace of my mind, i did not recieve the type of reply i was looking for. There might be a small problem.
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« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2007, 10:44 PM »

Let me first say that i don't play in places like that anymore i only play in church.  But i have been a police officer for the last 23 years.  I don't think i could let that slide, but as others have said no need to resort to a physical encounter.  However, if after giving the guy a peace of my mind, i did not recieve the type of reply i was looking for. There might be a small problem.

Thats why the other band members escorted the man to the front door. Simply removing the man from the bar sends a message to him and his friends. Destructive behavior would not be tolerated under any circumstances, including "jokes." There was no reason was given to him to why he was being thrown out. He was just thrown out of the bar and permamently banned from there. In a bar situation, people are adults and are responsible for their actions. Just simply holding them accountable in a mature manner will stop such behavior quickly. If it doesn't, well, you know what you day gig is
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« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2007, 05:04 PM »

Everyone just thinks a drum kit is just worthless and means they think they can just grap a stick and start hitting anythnig as hard as they can  Undecided
Its really annoying...and about the match thing, your frind was probably right to hit him! Im looking at buying a zildjian ride, hitting the £100, I wouldnt be happy if someone marked it. Id set fire to their wallet and see how they like money being wasted.
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« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2007, 07:07 PM »

Everyone just thinks a drum kit is just worthless and means they think they can just grap a stick and start hitting anythnig as hard as they can  Undecided
Its really annoying...and about the match thing, your frind was probably right to hit him! Im looking at buying a zildjian ride, hitting the £100, I wouldnt be happy if someone marked it. Id set fire to their wallet and see how they like money being wasted.

There is an important point here.  Non-drummers just have no clue about the cost of drumming gear - especially cymbals.  I routinely have $1000+ worth of bronze hanging around me and - I'm sorry - I had to work very hard to earn the money to purchase it.  I spent a lot of years hitting Sabian B8's and slowly built up a nice set of cymbals.  When I have that much invested in something, I take care of it.  It isn't a trivial thing to have a mark put on a vintage cymbal that you paid over $250 for.  Somehow, people need to be made to understand that point.  My cymbal is like your _____ ....you fill in the blank.  And by the way, club managers that let the patrons roll around the stage should also be told a thing or two also.  I'm sorry, but some of the previoius comments like "its only a cymbal" just don't work for me.  I'm not a rich person and I don't have an endorsement deal on cymbals.  Something needed to be done.
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« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2007, 06:46 AM »

There is an important point here.  Non-drummers just have no clue about the cost of drumming gear - especially cymbals.  I routinely have $1000+ worth of bronze hanging around me and - I'm sorry - I had to work very hard to earn the money to purchase it.  I spent a lot of years hitting Sabian B8's and slowly built up a nice set of cymbals.  When I have that much invested in something, I take care of it.  It isn't a trivial thing to have a mark put on a vintage cymbal that you paid over $250 for.  Somehow, people need to be made to understand that point.  My cymbal is like your _____ ....you fill in the blank.  And by the way, club managers that let the patrons roll around the stage should also be told a thing or two also.  I'm sorry, but some of the previoius comments like "its only a cymbal" just don't work for me.  I'm not a rich person and I don't have an endorsement deal on cymbals.  Something needed to be done.

I agree on that. Me being only 16, going on 17, I haven't really got any money. When I get a job in the summer, it will be minimum wage and it will take quite a while to save up for what I want. If I end up buying a cymbal that i've wanted, I would be very p***ed off if someone just carelessly marks it or messes it up. It's ok for people who have money to burn and could go out and buy whatever they want, but most "normal" people have to earn what they want in life, and they would naturally want to take care of what they have worked to get.

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« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2007, 09:06 AM »

There is an important point here.  Non-drummers just have no clue about the cost of drumming gear - especially cymbals.  I routinely have $1000+ worth of bronze hanging around me and - I'm sorry - I had to work very hard to earn the money to purchase it.  I spent a lot of years hitting Sabian B8's and slowly built up a nice set of cymbals.  When I have that much invested in something, I take care of it.  It isn't a trivial thing to have a mark put on a vintage cymbal that you paid over $250 for.  Somehow, people need to be made to understand that point.  My cymbal is like your _____ ....you fill in the blank.  And by the way, club managers that let the patrons roll around the stage should also be told a thing or two also.  I'm sorry, but some of the previoius comments like "its only a cymbal" just don't work for me.  I'm not a rich person and I don't have an endorsement deal on cymbals.  Something needed to be done.

Being a veteran of the club scene and a cop, let's just sya I have a different view, since I'm the one who actually wrote "It's only a cymbal".  Sure, $250 is a lot of money to replace a cymbal, but so is $25,000 to replace your eye, or worse.  If someone is either drunk or callous enough to walk up and actually strike a match on your cymbal in a club, do you think a few angry words are going to make him see the light?  Why risk even more damage to your kit or yourself by provoking an already obtuse person who has little regard for personal boundaries?

In my experience, these are the same people who will have a violent and confrontational attitude toward you.  I've survived close quarter combat and have been trained to do so, yet I wouldn't provoke a fight in this situation.  At the very least, you'll end up losing the gig, since most club owners frown upon the band fighting the patrons.  And trust me, they, nor the poilice care who or what started it.

I'm not saying be a rug and let people walk all over you, but show some common sense. 
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« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2007, 02:48 PM »

Being a veteran of the club scene and a cop, let's just sya I have a different view, since I'm the one who actually wrote "It's only a cymbal".  Sure, $250 is a lot of money to replace a cymbal, but so is $25,000 to replace your eye, or worse.  If someone is either drunk or callous enough to walk up and actually strike a match on your cymbal in a club, do you think a few angry words are going to make him see the light?  Why risk even more damage to your kit or yourself by provoking an already obtuse person who has little regard for personal boundaries?

In my experience, these are the same people who will have a violent and confrontational attitude toward you.  I've survived close quarter combat and have been trained to do so, yet I wouldn't provoke a fight in this situation.  At the very least, you'll end up losing the gig, since most club owners frown upon the band fighting the patrons.  And trust me, they, nor the poilice care who or what started it.

I'm not saying be a rug and let people walk all over you, but show some common sense. 

I completely agree with you. That's I stated in my previous post that prevention is the best move. I would also like to bring up another point about NOT getting violent with the "match striker" or any other bar room jerk. It is well known that illegal drug use is commonly associated with the music industry. Even though studies with the local District Attorney's Office have shown that the percentage of musicians who use drugs is far less than the percentage of the general population. But, the striking a match across a cymbal routine is known to be a setup used by undercover cops to gain reasonable probable cause to continue an investigation and other goals. I played in a band with a guitarist who later I found out was an informant (busted on a marijuana possession charge) for the police and this was one of the stunts was pulled on me to try to "entrap" me into working as informant for the police. There were numerous other stunts as well. This included having my cymbals cracked, drums seized without reasonable probable cause, other band members given illegal drugs to try to entice me to do illegal drugs (just say no and then quit the band), bogus auditions, my car slammed over 30 feet across an intersection (not all in the same day though), and various other incidents that are matters currently under investigation and indictments are pending against the officers. Words of wisdom from a drummer and an Electrical Engineer (BSEE, what can I say, I'm the "classic underachiever") who has had a federal agent fired from his job, forced the resignation of a senior local prosecutor, and makes quite a number of prominent local law enforcement officials jump when they hear my name.
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« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2007, 04:11 PM »

I completely agree with you. That's I stated in my previous post that prevention is the best move. I would also like to bring up another point about NOT getting violent with the "match striker" or any other bar room jerk. It is well known that illegal drug use is commonly associated with the music industry. Even though studies with the local District Attorney's Office have shown that the percentage of musicians who use drugs is far less than the percentage of the general population. But, the striking a match across a cymbal routine is known to be a setup used by undercover cops to gain reasonable probable cause to continue an investigation and other goals. I played in a band with a guitarist who later I found out was an informant (busted on a marijuana possession charge) for the police and this was one of the stunts was pulled on me to try to "entrap" me into working as informant for the police. There were numerous other stunts as well. This included having my cymbals cracked, drums seized without reasonable probable cause, other band members given illegal drugs to try to entice me to do illegal drugs (just say no and then quit the band), bogus auditions, my car slammed over 30 feet across an intersection (not all in the same day though), and various other incidents that are matters currently under investigation and indictments are pending against the officers. Words of wisdom from a drummer and an Electrical Engineer (BSEE, what can I say, I'm the "classic underachiever") who has had a federal agent fired from his job, forced the resignation of a senior local prosecutor, and makes quite a number of prominent local law enforcement officials jump when they hear my name.

I am actually confused after reading this post. It sounds as if we are getting into conspiracy theories or something.
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« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2007, 05:08 PM »

I am actually confused after reading this post. It sounds as if we are getting into conspiracy theories or something.

Ha!

Yeah, did any of this take place on a grassy knoll??
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« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2007, 05:10 PM »

This thread has probably run it's course.
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« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2007, 05:33 PM »

This thread has probably run it's course.

Yep, a few days back!   Grin
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« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2007, 05:38 PM »

This thread has probably run it's course.

Ahhh Chris, you always pour cold water on it.... it's just starting to get good.

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