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« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2007, 07:06 PM » |
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I am actually confused after reading this post. It sounds as if we are getting into conspiracy theories or something.
No, it's just the normal routines that cops used to use to to generate arrests and recruit informants. You don't think that local law enforcement is all Mr. and Mrs. Goody Two Shoes, do ya??? If you do and you work in bands playing the local bar scene, you will lose your innocence. These activities were banned by federal law in September 1990. The only circumstances that such activities can continue now is through the use of a federal law and it requires a hearing in which the local prosecutor(s) put their law license(s) up as "collateral" along with lengthy prison sentences for themselves if they are wrong. Especially if the allegations are made against U.S. Government Employee with a security clearance. The civil damages for them being wrong will rock most state budgets and cause substantial tax increases. And all that money goes to the person they had under investigation. The law is an outgrowth of the continuing effort by the federal government to force oversight to ensure compliance with the Constitution and Bill of Rights by local law enforcement and local district attorney general's office. One such previous attempt bankrupted the city of New York. In my city, the Memphis Police Department has more ex-police officers under federal felony charges or serving time for armed robbery and extortion of drug dealers, illegal drug trafficking, and prostitution than any other police department in the nation. We are talking about hundreds of pounds of cocaine and marijuana stolen from the property room and just about anything else under the sun. I just love being an ex-U.S Government Employee with a security clearance with a late father who also held a secret or top secret security clearance and a diplomatic passport for most of my younger years.
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« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2007, 07:21 PM » |
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Wow, what a mouth full. 8)I think I will stay out of this one.  Nutty
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« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2007, 08:04 PM » |
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No, it's just the normal routines that cops used to use to to generate arrests and recruit informants. Maybe back in the 20s or 30s but not anytime lately.
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« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2007, 08:30 PM » |
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« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2007, 11:38 PM » |
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Maybe back in the 20s or 30s but not anytime lately.
No unfortunately, at least in my case, as late as the 1990's and to a lesser extent, today. In 1989, I was working with a guitarist who was given a joint by an undercover cop to try to get me to smoke it with him to cause a positive drug test fail at my employer in an attempt to derail my engineering career and pending federal employment after I graduated from college. This and several other incidents generated a reasonable probable cause for an investigation for providing false and/or misleading information to a federal government entity in regards to a security clearance. It is my understanding that they (TVA and the FBI) had enough evidence to disbar and/or indict one prosecutor and one team of undercover officers even b4 I left the agency and they were hunting for more. It is my understanding that the Shelby County District Attorney General had to make the appearance in federal court to formally request the delay of the disbarrment of one of his prosecutors. My fellow engineers at TVA didn't take kindly to being threatened by local law enforcement for refusing to harass me to make me leave the agency. In short, they burned them so badly that it is not a matter of if local law enforcement will do jail time, but how long. I would also like to say that I am suprised that no one suggested that anyone should consult with local law enforcement about the match striker. They generally will intercede to stop such behavior even if you don't want to press charges. Great PR, less paperwork. And all bars in Tennessee are required to immediately report any fights and destructive behavior, so you really have no choice.
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« Reply #45 on: May 01, 2007, 06:49 AM » |
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There can always be a bad apple or two in the barrel! I know what happened to you is not representative of the law enforcement agencies I deal with on a daily basis.
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« Reply #46 on: May 01, 2007, 08:09 AM » |
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Sounds like you had a bit of a bad experience; it happens. Trust me, I not only spent the last 8 years working political and police corruption, I lived it as a victim as well. But none of that really has any relevance. I'm just saying don't put yourself in a bad spot over a cymbal.
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« Reply #47 on: May 01, 2007, 08:36 AM » |
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I would also like to say that I am suprised that no one suggested that anyone should consult with local law enforcement about the match striker. They generally will intercede to stop such behavior even if you don't want to press charges. I can imagine calling the cops for this. They'd probably tell me to stop being a wuss about it. Most places I play have a stage high enough that people can't just walk up to an instrument without getting on the stage. For those smaller stages, I take a beater kit. I played a private party in college where someone peed on my drums. He spent his hung-over morning cleaning it up.
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« Reply #48 on: May 01, 2007, 08:40 AM » |
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The law is an outgrowth of the continuing effort by the federal government to force oversight to ensure compliance with the Constitution and Bill of Rights by local law enforcement and local district attorney general's office. The government I have seen in recent years is about LESS of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. It's withering away. Not sure exactly what this has to do with striking a match on a cymbal. I've been playing in a variety of bands in LA for 21 years and have never found myself in a situation with informants.
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« Reply #49 on: May 02, 2007, 12:14 AM » |
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The government I have seen in recent years is about LESS of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. It's withering away.
Not sure exactly what this has to do with striking a match on a cymbal.
I've been playing in a variety of bands in LA for 21 years and have never found myself in a situation with informants.
The stunt was in my case to get me in trouble with an assault charge and make me work as an informant. As far as you not having trouble with informants. LA and Memphis, TN are 2 completely different worlds. I know, I'm a military brat and I have lived in Philadelphia PA, Memphis TN, Wahiawa Hawaii, and Anaheim CA, all by the time I was 6 years old and spent most of my younger years in Hawaii. Hawaii's political structure and liberal viewpoints parallel California's. I agree that the erosion of civil liberties in this country is bad. My problem with the law has very little to do with music. It has more to do with a god given physical ability. One of my neighbors remarked that he has never seen local law enforcement go after someone like they have gone after me. I jokingly responded to him with a riddle. Riddle: What does Albert Einstein, Madonna, and I have in common with the number 162? Answer: It's our IQ
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« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2007, 02:06 PM » |
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uhhh...
back away from the topic, slowly...
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« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2007, 10:50 PM » |
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Just letting the youngins know what goes on in the bar/band scene. I have friends that can tell even more outrageous stories of what has been pulled on them by the police. Like making them unload the truck to search it for drugs on the interstate or they will impound everything. Or being arrested for public intoxication after being pulled over in small towns out side of Memphis after playing a gig and being "fined" the exact amount they made for the night and then released......
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« Reply #52 on: May 04, 2007, 06:55 AM » |
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I've been gigging for over 30 years, from San Francisco to NYC. Most of the last 20 years I have been in Houston. I have seen and heard of plenty of drunk and stoned musicians getting arrested. I have been on the receiving end of it.
I have never, before now, heard of the activities of which you are speaking. I am not saying it has never happened.
I think the best defense, in any case, is not to carry drugs around with you and not to get drunk at gigs. Society at large would probably view this as a good thing, as well.
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« Reply #53 on: May 04, 2007, 09:15 AM » |
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I can imagine calling the cops for this. They'd probably tell me to stop being a wuss about it.
Beats the **** out of an assault charge. I almost broke the guy's finger when it happened to me and that's why I found out it was a setup. It was my 1st band and we were playing at the local corner bar. Boy, the bouncer heaved that guy out the door like he had straped wings to his back. I moved on to better gigs and more pay. And then I went back to and graduated from college and quit playing live. I don't play out at the moment due to the trouble I have previouly posted about. Several of the other working professional drummers in Memphis have advised me that they have caught grief from the cops and not to play out at the moment. They will help me get back into the flow when the arrests are made. One of them even suggested that when it is over to relocate to Nashville and he would help me get my foot in the door. I dont imagine that happening. One of the Memphis boys in Nashville said that to me after he cruised by the house and sat outside and listened to me play. Nashville is bit out of my league for time being. But my time keeping is better now than ever. I basically quit playing because of these troubles and my fellow drummers were upset because they really like hearing the way I phrase my grooves.
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« Reply #54 on: May 04, 2007, 11:23 AM » |
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Beats the **** out of an assault charge. I almost broke the guy's finger when it happened to me and that's why I found out it was a setup. Setup or not, trying to break someone else's finger is assault. So are there secret agents following you around everywhere, trying to trip you up so they can pin something on you? Some secret agency must have figured out that you are an important threat to a top-secret program of theirs. I'd recommend a foil hat. I've let venue management know about trouble-makers in the past. They get rid of them, because they don't really want the police there.
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« Reply #55 on: May 05, 2007, 09:04 PM » |
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Setup or not, trying to break someone else's finger is assault.
So are there secret agents following you around everywhere, trying to trip you up so they can pin something on you? Some secret agency must have figured out that you are an important threat to a top-secret program of theirs.
I'd recommend a foil hat.
I've let venue management know about trouble-makers in the past. They get rid of them, because they don't really want the police there.
Actually, tyring break someone's fingers to protect your personal property is use of necessary force, per the officers who investigated. The undercover cop who asked him to do that received an unpaid, 3 day vacation. It seems that the man who did had a pending legal matter B4 the courts and you can guess the rest. As far as your remarks about the foil hat. I think you are some musician who has probably been asked to leave more than a few bands to keep from them from loosing gigs. Telling bar owners that this band and that band are trouble makers etc pretty much puts you on the outs with most of the rest of the bands where ever you play. Mud slinging like you have proudly posted about undermines your's and your current band's reputation. Since, most of my giging experience was handled by booking agents, I think I know what I am talking about. Everyone views that kind of behavior as someone trying to makeup for a lack of talent/practice or not being able to put forth a quality product etc. No, there are no secret agents following me around. Only persons like you who throw out pseudointellectual garbage and cheap shots. And some of people around the idiots who do that, have told me that the person is doing that for a cop. I do, however, have local law enforcement officers facing federal indictments. So I do have personal contect information for the U.S Attorney's Office. Does that qualify as "secret agents" for the purpose of your banter???
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