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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2006, 11:21 PM »

This past weekend I played a gig with 8 bands. one of the bands used congas & bongos. I put an SM81 overhead and it worked great.... So yes, condensor mics work well for them.    Wink
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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2007, 09:48 AM »

The 3:1 ratio (aka "three to one rule") is just a way to prevent interference between what two microphones are picking up




Well, you´ll always pick up a small amount of "leakage" when using more than one mic on the same instrument. It´s the same deal with the drums, it doesn´t matter where you place the mic, you will definately 'reduce' the pick up from other parts but won´t shut it completely. But it´s always essential to have a great microphone placing technique, so when you record the wanted piece, when you go to the mixing process you won´t need to do miracles with the table since the mic part was already done properly.
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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2007, 03:42 AM »


For studio recording, try some Crown CM-700 condensor mics. They are cheaper than the Shure SM-81 and EXCELLENT for percussion! You can sometimes find them on eBay for around $150.

For live work though, I think the CM-700 might be too sensitive and prone to feedback, at least it was when I tried it. Instead, I use a Shure Beta 87a ($100 if you shop around) or a EV N/D967 (maybe $125). The EV's are actually vocal mics, but work well for hand drums and have a huge gain before feedback which is always an issue when playing live. Both the Shure and the EV are supercardioids, which will help with feedback and other instruments bleeding into your drums. I'm not as crazy about the sound of the Audix D series, but they also work well and are nice 'n small.

Soon, I'm going to try some piezoelectric transducers. No mics, no mic stands, no feedback, no leakage, no holes in your drums, no fooling around. And cheap! These are just little ceramic disks that mount to your heads (or nearby) and turn the vibrations into a tiny electrical signal. The signal has to be fed into a very high-impedance input though, at least as high as your mixer's "instrument" input, but ideally into a piezo preamp which has an impedence of say, 3 to 10 million ohms. Around $60 for a single transducer and simple preamp. Has anyone tried this approach? I'm not necessarily recommending Shadow, but they do have some info on piezos here: http://www.shadow-electronics.com/start.html
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« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2007, 08:17 PM »

I was reading your posts on Mics for congas.  I started out using claws and dynamic mic Audio technica matched set of ATM29HE. $125 each drum mics.  They worked great very durable but you have all this stuff hanging off your drums ...plus you needed a mixing board.(more stuff to haul and set-up)  Ok fast forward I went to boom mics got a couple of the best EV 4088...sweet set-up but still not getting all the sound playing live with a full band. 
This is what I'm using now
Audix F-90's  $100-$125....small clip ons use on quinto,congaand Bongos...Still use one of the EV4088 on tumba with claw and goose-neck...great low end and allows shakers and other toys to be played under. 
All four mics feed into  a shure267 4in 1 out  phantom power device which drives the Audixs.  small 12"x12" box set on rack (table) that attaches to a Mic stand  threw som bells on it to so as to more efficently use.  Got the Shure  for $100 on E-bay.  I now have control with meter on my mics send one wire  to main board and have some local control too. Granted it's not as cheap as a couple 58s  but very clean and killer end product.  figure it will take me 8 gigs  to get my money back....And I'm not beating my hands into a blood pulp trying to get in the mix with a five piece band.
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« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2007, 02:11 AM »

Bongojimi . . .

Interesting setup!

Do you have any feedback problems with the Audix condensers?

I ask because I tried two different small condenser instruments mics (Crown CM-700, A-T 5100) on a couple of occasions and they fedback so badly that I gave them up in favor of dynamics. Maybe it was the room or other factor.

What's your experience???
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« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2007, 02:20 PM »

I have to admit...Obviously I'm no expert on Mics....But this has the best results so far.  Feedback is not an issue. The small patter of the adix pointed at the drum heads  doesn't leave much room for feed backor bleed over.  The system feeds into a recorder very nicely.
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« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2007, 07:43 PM »

I ended up going with audix d2's on conga and quinto. I first put them on boom stands, but found that a little unwieldy, plus the extra stands were just more stuff to haul around. I then did what I wish I had done first which is attach them with lp claws. nice and compact. yes, I sometimes hit the mics with a hand by accident when playing, but it's not a real issue. I usually just plug into the pa system, but having a mixer nearby would be nice, although, again, more gear to schlep. I dont mic the bongos, but maybe I should. they seem to be pretty loud even without. if I add a tumba, which I would like, then im looking at another mic, I suppose. but I dont think I can fit three conga drums into the back of my toyota celica, though two fit in just fine.... Cool
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« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2007, 02:35 PM »

Haha, this if a funny thread! Everyone's opinions and egos being challenged!

Condensor mics work well for them.    Wink

Condensor mics work well for just about anything! BUT, they are rarely the right mic to use, especially in a live situation. I have had great results with the following mic placement:



Simply SM57's on top and Beyer M88's w/ reverse phase on bottom. I usually roll off the highs on the M88's and take full advantage of their killer low end. Mix the bottom mics up into the mix with the 57's on top and you've got a bongo sound that kills!
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« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2007, 02:40 PM »

I dug out the claws for my gig last night and used dynamic mics again....instead of the audix mics I was playing up two  post earlier.  The really is no comparison to dynamic mics. I left the condenser mic on bongos cause it was so compact and didn't need much extra for them and it worked fine. condenser mics are more prone to "Feed-back"  and the volume and clarity was outstanding with the dynamic set-up.  The shure 267 gave me a bit of local control and I liked  having only one line to board.
your post  Musik got me rethinking and you are right. dynamic are the way to go.
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« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2007, 05:22 PM »

And just to make sure we've covered all 87 ways to mic congas . . .

1. Use a Pressure Zone Microphone (PZM) strapped to the chest of the player. Is this a joke? Nope. "The microphone is carried by the percussionist as he or she moves from instrument to instrument." Advantages: totally portable, cheap, lightweight, little or no handling noise, and no mic stands to lug around. Read all about it in this excellent download from Crown Audio: http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/mics/127089.pdf.

2. Forget about mics altogether. Attach a piezoelectric transducer either to the head or the shell and run them through a small on-board preamps or your mixer. Piezo transducers require a very high impedance connection for good response. Your mixer's "guitar" input *might* do it (Mackie's for example, are 1 M ohm), but it's better to use a proper peizo preamp which has an impedance of 3 to 10 M ohms. Piezo's are dirt cheap and the preamps are fairly inexpensive too (if you need one at all). And there's no possibility of feedback or bleed. Just plug 'n play.

P.S.: Have I actually used these methods? No, but willing to give it a shot. If you have, let us know!
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