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« on: May 29, 2007, 04:26 PM »

I was a jazz set player long ago, and came back to music recently via hand drums. The spark was re-kindled in a drum circle and now I'm trying to get back full time, working etc, probably mainly on drumset.

I started djembe classes a year ago with an African dance group. After learning to appreciate the beauty of clean parts that fit together perfectly, learning about good tone, etc,  I find it hard to go back to drum circles etc that seem to live on the level of dum dum dada dada dum dum, full of ghostnotes, everyone soloing and what now seems like "noise".  Ironic, since that's what hooked me, and what people who aren't drummers love to do..

I find myself getting snobbish about where and with whom I play...that part I'm not happy about...music is a gift to everyone.....

On the other hand African music seems like the opposite of jazz, somewhat like classical music: handed down, don't change the parts, and you get to solo when the lead drummer dies.....if.....

Anyone else grapple with these dilemmas? I don't seem to see this in the Afro-Cuban crowd so much.....

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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2007, 01:13 PM »

   thats a common graduation, from circle to class to snob......I use a local drum circle to practice various percussion "toys" to maintain the specific muscles needed, it's a great way to practice shekeree, bell, guiro.  Learning to pull a big unruly group into time, very good practice.    The african dance group is good, but since you are now feeling the constriction of that scene, have you checked out samba dance classes?  Samba is contemporary with structure but room to express.(plus beautiful dancers)  Afro/Cuban has its' own deep tradition and attitudes.  go for the fun...
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2007, 01:41 PM »

I understand your delima. Coming from the Afro-Cuban perspective, I have turned into a 'snob'. Most of us hand drummers with any competency were once inspired by the drum circle, and then have turned away.

It's just too bad that we don't ALL of us in our society grow up with percussion and tribal music in our day-to-day living.. That of course is the only way to get away from the a-rhythmia of the non-musical folks that speak fluent ignorance in the average drum circle.

I've heard it said that the least musical person in an African tribe is many times better than our most accomplished drummer in a US city.
Of course there's no way to prove that, but it does sort of make me long for a more musically enlightened society.
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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2007, 06:21 AM »

Sorry to hear you are having this problem...  I kind of got some what of a start in percussion due to the fact that I wasn't as accomplished as others around me (started late) in jazz band at high school level I didn't even bother trying out for set knowing that a few of my other friends had much more skill than I so I went for the congas.  Didn't have anyone or books, etc. to learn from really- just listened to what was needed, went along with what instruction I was given and ended up really liking to play them.  Years later I made the transition to kit player, and for many years 20+, never even slapped a conga once.  I've picked it back up over the past few years nd really enjoy it much more with what informal training I have received.  I have never played in a drum circle as I imagine what it is you are describing but have started with a Capoeira group I've commented on other threads.  I am usually the only drummer with a few that sit in on a second conga here and there.  Soon we'll be adding more traditional lead instruments (Berimbau) and other percussion, tamborine and agogo bells I hope.  All in all to encourage your, at least occasional, inclusion in the cirle.  You may feel its all hectic with no guidance, etc. but there may be a few willing to learn from you.  I know that I wish I had someone to guide me more.  I enjoy the freedom of play I'm granted but I really know nothing but the basic beat to play and am told to start with that and then gradually change tempo and rhthyms. 
You'll make the right decision for yourself... eventually, possibly after changing your mind a time or two but you'll get the feel for what you need to do.  Maybe you could consider starting something up yourself and guiding perhaps fewer, more devoted participants???
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2007, 12:47 PM »

In very large drum circles, say 40 drummers and dancers, it is a melee, the beat has beastly momentum, you must surrender.

To survive and have fun, create a village within a village ... work with several friends within the larger group and create your own little unit unit of sound, off to one side.

You may get your own set of dancers.

Focus on is the general pulse of rhythm from the main group, break it down, syncopate. You may find that cool rumba part you've been working on fits in just fine, and can practice it adnauseum.

Outside of 15 feet nobody will hear you, but so what? You are playing, building endurance, friendships, being part of the scene.

Some of these huge drum circles are events unto themselves.
With good attitude and finger tape you might just have a blast.

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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2007, 08:06 PM »

One of my earliest hand drumming experiences was joining a "circle" that turned out to be an African .  Later, I had the sad experience of trying to join an outdoor african circle that included some of the same people, only to be rudely run off by a traditionalist type that had seen me jamming in drum circles, but apparently had no clue I actually knew some African stuff.  I was so offended that I went resolutely back to drum circling, and pretty much abandoned African music.  Not all drum circles are great, but occasionally they're magical.  I have also found I get lots of good practice on grooving and the better drummers in the circle community are very forthcoming with their knowledge.  I understand some Afro Cuban stuff is very traditionalist also.

Maybe the best thing would to spend a bit of time with traditionalist players to get the basic techniques and rhythms, and then go your own way when you can't stand it anymore.  ;-)
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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2007, 09:28 AM »

I just went to our local "organized" hippy drum circle last night with some trepidation, since my friends that organize these are so pretentious when they conduct them like a ceremony constantly intergecting with wannabe pagan ritual.
But, last night they let the circle go on its own accord. It was fairly small and some of the guys playing drums had a bit of choppage. I didn't bring drums, but just some small hand held stuff like cowbells, a shaker, and a metal atoke.
After the first rhythm, Paul waved me over to take up the conga position, so I layed down a groove which everyone respected and joined tastily. The whole night was very nicely done I must say!
So, I guess they're not all bad!
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