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« on: June 14, 2007, 06:51 PM » |
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Hello, I have been looking for new cymbals. I am currentley using Zildjians ZBT. I am looking to upgrade and have been looking at the Dark K Custom's. If anyone that has any cymbals from that line could tell me if they are good for rock and if so are they worth buying? I have been looking but havn't got to hit any of them yet. Thank you.
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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2007, 07:36 PM » |
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I own a set and I think so, but you have to realize you're going to one extreme corner of the cymbal world. It's really up to your own ears. It's also sort of the opposite of what most rock drummers use today. The A Customs are a Zildjian line more commonly found in a rock setting. The Dark Ks have long, smooth sustain with great articulation. Some people say they're too dry, but I think they just haven't heard a truly dry cymbal.  I like them because they "speak" with a bit of verve ... there's sort of an elegant overtone that is neither to brilliant nor (ironically) too dark. They sound like what cymbals are supposed to sound like to me, but I can't really do this any more justice unless I put my ears on your head. You pay a lot for a lot of cymbal, so think long and hard about what you want before making that leap.
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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2007, 07:52 PM » |
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The K Dark cymbals I have are not dry. But Zildjian may have changed the design, as mine are from the 90's. Anyway, I would recommend the K Dark Customs for rock, although I've always preferred the K Darks (no custom required). Try both.......and some others besides.
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2007, 07:56 PM » |
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The K Dark cymbals I have are not dry.
I bought mine in 1999 and I've had a few comments (and like I said, it leads me to believe they've never heard a truly dry cymbal). I think people think dry = stick articulation, like a jazz ride. Question: Do you find your cymbals mis-named as "dark?" I think they're more rich than dark.
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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2007, 08:03 PM » |
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 They are dark compared to A Zildjians. Now cymbals from Turkey have come to prominence, and K Constantinoples, arguably in answer to the boutique brands, no I don't think standard K Zildjians are that dark.
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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2007, 03:10 PM » |
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Ya know what?, to me there ARE no rock, jazz, country, fusion, cymbals. There are only cymbals i like and dont like. If i like paper thin Saludas! im using them for rock or whatever. Ill never get the guys that say i use these for jazz, i use these for rock. Use what you like and forget tradition. I just happen to really like! Zildjians K dark cymbals, they sound wonderful! to me for ANY genre of music. K-customs?, if you dig them use them on ANYTHING.
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2007, 05:46 PM » |
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Ya know what?, to me there ARE no rock, jazz, country, fusion, cymbals. There are only cymbals i like and dont like. That's a very good point. I gotta say though, I bought a few Istanbul Agops last summer and a couple of the rides just disappeared into a wash when I tried to play rock music on them. With that in mind, I demoed a few Spizzichinos and found they sounded superb with very light playing, but gave up the ghost even if I played them lightly with my usual rock sticks. I guess that doesn't stop them from being used in acoustic-rock and folk, as well as jazz and other genres. Horses for courses. 
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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2007, 09:49 PM » |
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Ya know what?, to me there ARE no rock, jazz, country, fusion, cymbals. There are only cymbals i like and dont like. If i like paper thin Saludas! im using them for rock or whatever. Ill never get the guys that say i use these for jazz, i use these for rock. Use what you like and forget tradition. I just happen to really like! Zildjians K dark cymbals, they sound wonderful! to me for ANY genre of music. K-customs?, if you dig them use them on ANYTHING.
I totally agree with you. I always add a caveat so people know what they're getting into before making a big purchase. I think there's sometimes an expectation of having a certain cymbal sound ... at least in the studio and what not. I've kept A Customs in the past just for that occasion, but I've never had anyone actually complain about the K Custom Darks.
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2007, 10:06 PM » |
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Maybe not anymore, but K Custom Dark rides used to be very popular.
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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2007, 09:21 PM » |
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Alot of players are talking about the Zildj 21''K-custom dry lite ride. Jazzers will for sure like the dark dry thing with this cymbal but my god!, its such a beautiful sounding ride for any type of music really. CHECK THIS BEAUTY OUT!!  .
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2007, 09:43 AM » |
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While I'm not so sure this is a good indicator for what anyone else should buy, I do have a K Dark Custom ride I like for rock. And I have K Dark Crash I like for rock.
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2007, 03:15 PM » |
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I picked up two K Custom Dark Zildjians the early part of last year and in my mind and sound they are not dry. They do work well in rock music, but that is the sound I was looking for in different types of music. That's what my ears tell me. I agree that you don't have to buy special cymbals for each type of music out there today. I have a combo of different types of Zildjians, Sabians and I'm looking for a certain type Paiste. Each of these has it's own sound and a sound I'm looking to use. They seem to be interchangable when used in combined set up. The was a time I thought your cymbals had to all be of the same brand. This was incorrect and I finally learned that the hard way. Go with the sound you're looking for no matter what the brand name on the cymbal may be at the time. Your the one to please and the only one that knows what pleases you. Too much of an issue is made of brand names.
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2007, 12:51 AM » |
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If you're a particularly heavy hitter, and moving up from ZBTs...you might want to invest in a less-expensive line of cymbal - in the event you break one. K Customs are the priciest cymbals on the market. But you certainly get what you pay for - they're *very* musical and versatile...the best of the best.
But K's in general don't have the sharpest attack; I'd say their crashes almost "billow" instead of attack, compared to other cymbals (such as A's and Z's) commonly used in hard rock. That said, I own an 18" K Dark med thin crash w/ a brilliant finish (not a "Custom"), and I use it in hard rock, i.e., repeatedly choking it while punctuating a certain riff in a certain song. Although a "fast crash" might attack more precisely and more "on top" of the beat, the apex of my crash's attack occurs very much "behind" the beat. My bandmates really like that aspect, as well as it's pure musical sound. It's easily the best cymbal I've ever played - it even works well as a ride in a blues context.
I find that K's blend well with Sabain's Paragon line, whose crashes also give off a lower pitch but w/ a sharper attack. Meanwhile, the Paragon Ride in particular is outstanding for rock, but I wouldn't recommend using it as a crash/ride. Either the A Custom Sweet Ride or the Z Custom Thrash Ride is better for that.
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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2007, 03:06 AM » |
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I think you've made some good points, except you spoke about the use of K's and K Customs in 'Hard Rock'. I know they are just pigeon holes, but to me Rock (the genre in the title of this thread) is much more varied than Hard Rock. I might not especially recommend K's for hard rock drumming (or metal), but for every other form of generic rock music I think they work well.
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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2007, 12:17 PM » |
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You are probably right Chris but i did hear Tommy Aldridge using K's and his cymbals sounded awesome! although hes now playing Paiste (the best  . His cymbals didnt so much razor cut through the music, they just filled it out with tonal warmth!. I was really impressed. Not to give you the idea that they didnt project because they did, just in a more beautiful way.
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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2007, 05:55 PM » |
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I have 3 bags full of cymbals, and a hard case. Since I play a wide variety of music, my hard case has a mix of two 21" rides, a 18" crash, a 16" crash, 14" splash, and two 14" hats. Most of my choices came over years of collecting what matched well and I like. They are old Ziljians, and a mix of Paste. I'm not a fan of tinny sound..... 
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