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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2007, 03:16 PM »

I find I can swing and I can play quietly with traditional.  I can't do either with matched.  That's likely just because I learned to bash out rock beats with matched and now I'm learning Blues and Jazz with trad.

Being able to swing and play quietly has nothing to do with the grip, you have just practiced that type of playing with traditional instead of matched.

With trad it seems more normal to let the left hand set the pace, and the right hand follows easily.

Do you want to let one hand set the pace, as opposed to playing the instrument with your whole body integrated?

I'm always puzzled by the trad/matched debate.  I mean, just look at the grips - they're different.

Yes, the grips are different, but I don't see what point that supports.
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« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2007, 07:09 PM »

Being able to swing and play quietly has nothing to do with the grip, you have just practiced that type of playing with traditional instead of matched.

Although I agree in theory, a lot of us just find that trad "feels" better for certain styles of playing.  I've settled mostly on trad (switch just a little) and debated this with others here ad nauseum.  It's not that we've spent a lifetime perfecting both and then quantitatively determine the best.  Perhaps we're just brainwashed from watching so many great players using it.  It's an endless argument and fortunately for me, I don't have to develop WecklColauitaMinneman skills or perfect both techniques to enjoy playing music. 
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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2007, 07:16 PM »

Although I agree in theory, a lot of us just find that trad "feels" better for certain styles of playing.  I've settled mostly on trad (switch just a little) and debated this with others here ad nauseum.  It's not that we've spent a lifetime perfecting both and then quantitatively determine the best.  Perhaps we're just brainwashed from watching so many great players using it.  It's an endless argument and fortunately for me, I don't have to develop WecklColauitaMinneman skills or perfect both techniques to enjoy playing music. 
Great post eardrum,
I have to agree on the never ending Debate. Kinda like "what do YOU like" type thead?
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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2007, 07:16 PM »

Yes, you should absolutely use what feels best of course.  Smiley If trad is the way you play softly the best then that is what you should use. I just cringe every time I think there could be players with great matched chops totally retraining their grip because they think trad will allow them to play jazz better.
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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2007, 08:54 PM »

Playing traditional grip on a set can be difficult. With me, I play match but sometimes mess around with traditional and find that if the drums are lower, it's easier to play them. After all, traditional grip was invented for low sitting drums. That's why it's easy to groove with because you stick mostly to the snare and that, I'm guessing, is the lowest drum on your kit.
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« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2007, 02:06 PM »

I can't think of a good reason for a proficient matched-grip player to ever use traditional. And I say this as a guy who grew up on traditional, and still uses it occasionally.

If you already are comfortable with matched, spend your time and effort working on getting better at matched grip.

The only reason I still occasionally resort to traditional is because that grip had a 5-year head-start in my own playing. Unless you're marching in a drumline that requires traditional, I see no reason for a good matched grip player to bother with it.

Not the most popular opinion, but I'll stand behind it.

That said, you can certainly get around a kit and crash cymbals using traditional. It just takes practice.

Keith echoes almost exactly my experience and sentiments. What happened to me is that I moved to L.A. in 1980 to go to college and started to change to matched when I hit there. I had only flirted a bit with it before then. The motivating factor was that most of the guys at the school were following the wisdom that matched could transfer to different scenarios (such as multi-percussion setups and other percussion settings) and that it also gave a more homogenous and even sound between sticks when on the set. It took me a while to actually change over to matched, but I'm glad I did. It's now my strongest and more comfortable grip,

However with the recent 'Freddy Gruber' movement (started for the most part locally here in L.A.), I have gone back to practicing traditional on my pad. My experience though, is that for me to truly use the trad approach, I have to setup my kit differently, especially the snare. Dave Weckl echoed the same thing in a conversation I had a few years ago. My approach to snare drum angle may change slightly here and there when I'm using matched. It chages greatly when I use traditional. Therefore I have to kind of commit for the night or at least the set to one or the other. Match grip typically wins. Undecided

Unless you truly want to learn traditional for your own reasons, I don't think there is a blanket, general wisdom that says you have to or even should.

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« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2007, 03:45 PM »

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With trad it seems more normal to let the left hand set the pace, and the right hand follows easily.

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Do you want to let one hand set the pace, as opposed to playing the instrument with your whole body integrated?

Slow boat leads the fleet. 

I'm as guilty as anyone of trying to play too fast.  Using trad grip is a bit like eating with chopsticks.  It forces me to slow down and enjoy my dinner more.

But that's just me.  If I'd started with trad grip, I might be singing the virtues of learning matched grip about now.
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