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« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2007, 10:35 AM » |
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The only drum company that has responded to me is Trick.
Trick is very responsive and Dom Moio is one of their endorsers, so it wouldn't be the worst decision to at least listen to what they have to say. It would also mean you could sell Trick pedals, which are very popular. I'm not sure if it's west coast regional headquarters or something larger, but Kaman has a huge portion of their operation in Scottsdale. I remember this because Vinnie brought a small combo to town for one of their shindigs, and one of the reps was calling every drummer he knew in town to come check it out. More than a few drummers were wetting their pants with anxiety trying to get to Scottsdale Air Park that night before Vinnie's band left the stage. 
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« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2007, 10:41 AM » |
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Being that there are other music stores in your region, I'm not completely surprised that some of the drum manufactures are slow to respond. Don't let this stop you. You don't have to have EVERY deal set in stone when you open your store doors. Once they see that you are for real, and that you have a good store turnout, they'll start lining up. Of course if you don't have anything in your store you won't get much traffic, and then won't get much interest from manufactures. Do what you can and don't give up!
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« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2007, 02:47 PM » |
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Yeah, I just want to have enough in the store to make people want to come back. I AM looking for anyone interested in investing. 
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« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2007, 03:01 PM » |
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Yeah, I just want to have enough in the store to make people want to come back. I AM looking for anyone interested in investing.  Not interested in the investment, thanks. But what keeps me coming back to my store of choice (The Drum Pad), is the fact that I rarely hear these often-heard-at-other-places phrases: "Sorry dood, we don't carry that" "We can, like, order one for you, man" "Brushes? You mean, like, for painting?" I also appreciate the fact that the store is staffed by drummers who actually play out. In fact the place doesn't even open till 11:00am or noon most days because the staff has generally been out gigging in the evenings with their respective bands. That's important to me. They're experienced. They use the products they sell. Consequently their opinions are based on experience - not hear-say or blind brand favoritism. Good luck.
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« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2007, 04:34 PM » |
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"We can, like, order one for you, man"
That's pretty much the standard response at our local store.
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« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2007, 08:02 PM » |
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"We can, like, order one for you, man"
I know that's death to any gigging musician, but any start-up shop is going to be in this position for most items. Probably not going to have the storage space to carry tom arms for a '94 Starclassic. In a good start-up shop, I'd expect to find at least two brands of sticks (Vic Firth and Pro-Mark at the least), full lines of at least one type of cymbal with a scattering of others, a full line from at least one major drum maker with a flavor of two others, a small collection of interesting snares (it'd be nice to have a Dunnett or a Longo to play with), an complete collection of at least one brand of heads, and any number of aftermarket items like snare wires. That's what I consider limited expectations, but that's still taking up a lot of square footage. It requires a backroom storage facility, because there's no start-up shop that's going to have the space to house all that stuff on the showroom floor. There are still going to be items you just have to order. The longer a shop's in business the better the chances they'll have the rubber stops that fit your cymbal stands, or clamps for a Mapex hi-hat stand, but it's not something that you'll be able to walk-in and pick up on a whim.
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« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2007, 08:48 PM » |
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"We can, like, order one for you, man"
I know that's death to any gigging musician, Years ago when I was playing on the road I chose my equipment based on what most shops would have in stock. It was safer to play something that you could replace or find parts for than to play what you liked the best.
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« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2007, 09:38 AM » |
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Well, it is with heavy heart that I have decided not to open a drum shop for right now. The main reason is that I was planning on taking an equity loan out on my house to finance it but I'm sure all of you have read the paper and watched the news and see what is going on with the mortgage industry. Too finance it all myself is too risky for me and my family. The only way I could do it at this point is to find investors to help out.
I'll be in a better position in a couple years and I will re-visit the opportunity then. Sorry to everyone who were looking forward to it.
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« Reply #48 on: August 18, 2007, 02:26 PM » |
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Wow PJ, I'm sorry to hear that. I'm sure you've gone through the numbers, but please remember, that just because the mortgage industry is being hit hard, it does not make an iota of difference to YOUR risk. If YOU can make your payments, then you're fine. For example, if you take out an equity loan and it increases your monthly payments by $X, then so long as you can make the payment from your combined income sources, then you're fine, the state of the mortgage industry is irrelevant. Just 2 cents of advice from a banker. 
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« Reply #49 on: August 18, 2007, 02:45 PM » |
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Wow PJ, I'm sorry to hear that. I'm sure you've gone through the numbers, but please remember, that just because the mortgage industry is being hit hard, it does not make an iota of difference to YOUR risk. If YOU can make your payments, then you're fine. For example, if you take out an equity loan and it increases your monthly payments by $X, then so long as you can make the payment from your combined income sources, then you're fine, the state of the mortgage industry is irrelevant. Just 2 cents of advice from a banker.  It's the periphery impact that I would advise PJ that he's making the right choice. Home values are taking a killing in our region right now because no one can qualify to buy a home. That, along with a massive surplus of new homes means we'll probably need 9 to 12 mos. just to find the bottom. If that's his plan for financing, I think he's doing the right thing. Definitely don't want to end up upside down like a lot of people who have bought homes or refinanced the past year are. I would be willing to bet any appraiser would attach a value with great trepidation.
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« Reply #50 on: August 18, 2007, 03:09 PM » |
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have you thought about contacting the Small Business Administration? (i believe, may be wrong tho) that their goal is to help small businesses get running (with grants/loans), help with goals to keep it running and helping get realistic outcome to income ratios. just my $.02  good luck either way!
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« Reply #51 on: August 18, 2007, 03:27 PM » |
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have you thought about contacting the Small Business Administration? (i believe, may be wrong tho) that their goal is to help small businesses get running (with grants/loans), The SBA does not give loans it only guarantees loans to the financial institution where YOU arrange financing. They do have a lot of free resources for planning and there are a few grants available but for the most part they are nonexistent at this time.
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« Reply #52 on: August 18, 2007, 03:46 PM » |
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Thanks guys!
My financial situation will be better ina few years where I will be able to finance it myself (long story). I bummed because the place I as going to rent ws perfect and the owner cut me a really great deal.
I'm just worred that with the mortgage business is the state that it is, home values will be coming down and Ill end up upside down.
I talked to a few stores in Phoenix. Bizarre Guitar is doing away with their drum section all together due to lack of sales. The Drummer's Den is doing well but he's more about lessons than anything else. His store is VERY small.
I'm still building drums. I do that from home so there's no overhead. When things settle down, I still plan on opening something up.
Thanks for all of your help and advice!!
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« Reply #53 on: August 18, 2007, 07:43 PM » |
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I think it's a smart decision. Financing anything besides home improvements with home equity is risky and even if you improve the home it can still turn upside down. And yes the financial markets help determine the value of your home by how much capital is available to folks borrowing. The last few years lenders went crazy giving loans to people who couldn't afford it for sometimes more than 100% of the equity in the home. A lot of people are going through foreclosures, bankruptcy etc and the lenders are pulling back and it's simply harder to get the loans. My business line of credit with a major bank is affected. It's all tied together.
Good luck with the drum building and hopefully you'll get another shot at this.
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« Reply #54 on: August 19, 2007, 06:57 PM » |
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I'll have another shot in a few years. I'll be better off financially too so it won't be as high a risk.
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« Reply #55 on: August 20, 2007, 06:21 AM » |
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Patrick,
If you're already up and running from home, have a license and already purchase from Universal(they have the best hardware and stick prices anyway), I'd just start adding to what you're doing. Start buying heads, sticks, hardware and start selling. I know some people frown upon selling from home. I can tell you I did it. It worked. I have a 4 yr degree in music ed as a percussion major and people were buying from me because of my knowledge NOT where I was selling from. I know two millionaire music store owners who started in college selling from their back porch and from their van. You can get started for a few hundred dollars. You don't have to start with the full blown store. Work yourself up to it and let the business pay for itself. I started with like $200 I think. It's not hard you just have to be determined and know what you're selling.
Good luck and don't give up the dream, Jim P
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« Reply #56 on: August 21, 2007, 11:02 PM » |
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I'm with Bart on this. You buy as much inventory as you can prudently afford and keep reinvesting. if you find the local multi-line distributor, they can source most of the supplies you need. Since you have experience building and teaching, you can earn revenue focusing on repairs and teaching and juggling. My brother and I started a music academy and small project studio about a year ago, and we're going into our second year. We deliberately stayed out of retail and focused on teaching, but some of our lessons learned may help you. The biggest mistake we made was spending money on advertising which returned nothing. We got more out of free ads on Craigslist in a week than we got out of 6 months of paid ads.
Be really careful in your hiring, even contractors need to be on board with the vision you have and share the passion for the business. They need to promote the business as much as you would, so they need to share the passion.
While it seems like a good plan to carry some of the higher end kits that GC/Samash don't carry, you may opt for carrying less kit inventory, and spend more on special snares and higher end cymbals where you're more likely to get friendly terms with the suppliers if your not 'competing' directly with the bigbox guys. And as a buyer, i'm more likely to pick up those cool items, but I don't buy kits everyday (or every year for that matter). And drumheads, when I need them, I need them and I want to get a full set and I'll go to my mom and pop store first and even pay a little more but I want what I need. To have a full line of heads in every size and configuration could cost $10k, so that's where you have to plan to spend, and continue to restock. Nothing worse than needing a full set of Aquarian Studio X clears and the shop has everything except the 12"!!! And the store owner should want to keep me out of GC/Samash. If it's time to shop for a new kit, I'm probably going to order exactly what I want, so I'd want my guy to provide that service and order it and take care of the issues that inevitably come up. I'm friends with a local guy here in Dallas, and he has several kits on consignment, and he'll buy used so he always has kit inventory available for someone who walks in looking to buy a kit, but this inventory costs almost nothing. But he gets to sell heads, cymbals, hardware, thrones and lessons. I know my biggest challenge in that business would be not buying all the cool stuff I'd want to own.
Also, if you find a shop going out of business, and buy out their inventory, that's a good way to pick up a bunch of stock...cheap.
Get your licenses in order, pay your taxes, get a good accountant/accounting software and keep track of everything, from the beginning.
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« Reply #57 on: August 22, 2007, 02:27 PM » |
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I was a contractor and applied for a loan through the SBA....What Louis said is very true. Since I was a new business and didn't have my name established they didn't even care. The SBA was a total waste of my time. When I got to the point that they would have helped me I didn't need them. 
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« Reply #58 on: August 22, 2007, 05:24 PM » |
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The store is being shelved for the time being. Anyone want a custom kit? 
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