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« on: August 13, 2007, 04:29 AM »

Hi there,

I am currently practicing at home with a Roland TD-3 kit that has a KD-8 kick drum pad (rubber head). At rehearsals I play with a Tama Rockstar 22"x18" acoustic kick drum.

Basically I play heel down at home, and it feels good to me. I manage a good degree of control this way. The problem is that with the acoustic kick drum, I get alot less rebound from the head and I end up playing heel up, losing some control (specially dynamics) and not being able to do all the stuff I do at home.

I have thought about tightening the head on my acoustic kick drum to get a matching rebound, but I am not sure if this is not going to hurt my technique in any way.

I would really appreciate your advice on this.

Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2007, 09:25 PM »

Maybe put a towel over the electric kit trigger? It's a difficult situation when you can't practice on the real thing. I have an adjustable kick drum practice pad for my apartment and I keep it really loose to approximate an acoustic head a little better.
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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2007, 12:32 AM »

Hi there,

I have thought about tightening the head on my acoustic kick drum to get a matching rebound, but I am not sure if this is not going to hurt my technique in any way.

Thanks.

No, I don't see that hurting your technique at all.  Learn to deal with both tensions/rebound characteristics... as your techniuqe will need tweaking for each... that just makes you more adaptable and can actually increase your level of control on both surfaces (with enough practice).
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2007, 08:57 PM »

Hi there,

I am currently practicing at home with a Roland TD-3 kit that has a KD-8 kick drum pad (rubber head). At rehearsals I play with a Tama Rockstar 22"x18" acoustic kick drum.

Basically I play heel down at home, and it feels good to me. I manage a good degree of control this way. The problem is that with the acoustic kick drum, I get alot less rebound from the head and I end up playing heel up, losing some control (specially dynamics) and not being able to do all the stuff I do at home.

I have thought about tightening the head on my acoustic kick drum to get a matching rebound, but I am not sure if this is not going to hurt my technique in any way.

I would really appreciate your advice on this.

Thanks.

I also practice on a Roland set, but I don't find the KD8 to have much rebound.  What type of beater are you using on the Roland set?  The beaters I use are flat faced (Iron Cobra and Puresound). I recently replaced my KD8 with a KD85 mesh head kick. If you think the  KD8 is bouncy... Oh man!  I tune my acoustic kick just past the point where the wrinkle is out of the head. Using a flat beater on the kd8 is close, but the KD8 is fairly solid and has   sort of a "smack" feeling when the beater hits it. I don't know if you can get an acoustic kick to feel that way (or would really want to). I bought the mesh head kick mostly because I thought it might have a more similar feel to an acoustic kick. In my own search to find a way to lessen the rebound (why this topic caught my attention) I read where others have used Mole skin adhesive pads or kick patches made by Evans, Aquarian, etc...
 
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2007, 01:54 AM »

Learn to deal with both tensions/rebound characteristics... as your techniuqe will need tweaking for each... that just makes you more adaptable and can actually increase your level of control on both surfaces (with enough practice).

That's exactly what I would say.
I barely use rebound on bass drum, I actually don't think I use any.
(I'm not a jazz player however).
One big factor in bass drum set-up IMO is the sound.
The way I have mine set up (for the best sound), there would be negligable rebound anyway.
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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2007, 08:14 AM »

I have thought about tightening the head on my acoustic kick drum to get a matching rebound, but I am not sure if this is not going to hurt my technique in any way.

one more thought on this...

If you want to obtain a similar rebound on the acoustic BD then consider switching to a thinner batter head.  For example, I like the Aquarian Super Kick heads for my BD batter.  The SKII is a 2-ply head and the SK1 & 3 are 1-ply heads.  If I desire a more responsive foot I might use the 1-ply head... or switch to a SK2 for less rebound (and more 'thud').  The effect is similar to tweaking the tension as you mentioned.

But again, my suggestion is to adapt your skills to handle either.  This will come with time & experience.  I encourage my students to switch stuff around (heads, cymbal placement, kit config, etc.) because it will increase your control.  Over time you will be able to dynamically switch between "heel up" and "heel down" techniques without even thinking about it (that's the "better foot control" aspect).

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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2007, 04:04 AM »

Thanks for all your input...

I have tightened my bass drum head a bit more, and found it solves my problem, at least partially.  I get a bouncier feel and it resembles the KD-8. Soundwise, I didn't hear much difference, so for now it will stay this way.

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