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« on: August 13, 2007, 11:12 AM »

Jojo Mayers amazing DVD "Secret Weapons for the Modern Drummer" has inspired me to more fully learn and incorporate the Gladstone and Moeller techniques.  I guess you could say my playing has been "informed" by these two techniques ever since I watched Dave Weckls excellent "How To Develop Technique" DVD.  That DVD taught me about the principles of rebound, fulcrum, and whipping motion to achieve more power with less effort.  But Jojos DVD sealed the deal.  Its time for me to put in the time on these techniques, which, as Jojo so brilliantly demonstrates, perfectly compliment each other. 

Here are my questions:

To what extent are you using Gladstone and/or Moeller?

What is your advice for someone like me who is embarking on really knuckling down and learning and incorporating these techniques?

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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2007, 03:40 PM »

To what extent are you using Gladstone and/or Moeller?

More and more all the time.

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Work on it systematically, a little bit every day. Set short-term and long-term goals and track your progress, but don't get discouraged if things don't change drastically immediately. With any major technical undertaking/change, it takes time. I changed my basic grip in the same way Weckl and others have changed theirs, and it took many months to see a major difference.

Periodically check-in with a serious technique teacher to check your progress, get another set of eyes on the problem, and hopefully get some fresh input/exercises to push you beyond any plateaus you may hit.
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2007, 04:19 PM »

More and more all the time.

Work on it systematically, a little bit every day. Set short-term and long-term goals and track your progress, but don't get discouraged if things don't change drastically immediately. With any major technical undertaking/change, it takes time. I changed my basic grip in the same way Weckl and others have changed theirs, and it took many months to see a major difference.

Periodically check-in with a serious technique teacher to check your progress, get another set of eyes on the problem, and hopefully get some fresh input/exercises to push you beyond and plateaus you may hit.

Great advice.  Thanks.
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2007, 06:52 PM »

1. To what extent are you using Gladstone and/or Moeller?

2. What is your advice for someone like me who is embarking on really knuckling down and learning and incorporating these techniques?

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1. Increasingly more as I start from the ground up again on my hand technique. If I'm jamming I still haven't got the control/feel/etc that I want to use it for a long time so I revert back to bad habits.. but I've tried to curtail playing with others for a bit while I get this to a base level. Watching Morello, Gottlieb, Mayer, Weckl, Smith, etc has impressed upon me that this is pretty key to learn if I want to get my hands where I want them to be.

2. Be realistic: You won't make the change overnight. The longer you've been playing the harder it'll be to drop old habits. Just work on endurance, control, and accuracy. I noticed that the timing of my stroke was much shorter and thus I was playing more on top than I normally tend to -- so I have been also paying attention to that, refining with the Beatnik, and just doing a LOT of 2-50, Stick Control, and Master Studies... endlessly with the metronome chirping away.
Be patient. In time it'll start showing up. My mid-speed singles are much more effortless than they used to be. But this is all within the context of an overall improvement of my fundamentals that I've really been drilling on since May.
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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2007, 12:42 PM »

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What is your advice for someone like me who is embarking on really knuckling down and learning and incorporating these techniques?

Practice moving around the kit.  Otherwise, you might end up with a grip so light you're dropping sticks all the time.
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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2007, 06:31 PM »

Practice moving around the kit.  Otherwise, you might end up with a grip so light you're dropping sticks all the time.

Oooh, that's a good one.  Thanks!
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