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« on: August 15, 2007, 11:18 AM » |
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I know we cant put an exact percentage on this, but please approximate as best as you can. Assuming that your grip and technique are sound, how much of hand speed is a result of developing the applicable muscle groups over the long haul?
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2007, 11:45 AM » |
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I'd say 100%... but i'd call it training your muscles (and brain) more than "muscle development" ... it comes from repetition, not muscle mass... it dosn't take much muscle to move the sticks fast... but it does take "training the neurons" to make your muscles react to the sight/sound/feel ...
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2007, 01:20 PM » |
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What difference does it make? Speed alone is useless unless you can apply in to a groove. Playing a consistent and tasteful groove for any period of time takes many hours of practice. It is my opinion that we over think the mechanics and the equipment side of drumming when practice would be a better use of our time. I would be willing to bet all of my cowbells against a donut hole that structured practice will not only make you faster but also improve your overall drumming.
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2007, 02:27 PM » |
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What difference does it make? Speed alone is useless unless you can apply in to a groove. Who said anything about "speed alone"? I asked the question because I'm curious about a mechanical aspect of a physical endeavor -- drumming. Correct me if Im wrong, but you seem to imply that I'm neglecting the importance of a good groove by asking a mechanical question. I want to increase my hand speed -- not because I'm one of these chops-and-flash-is-everything guys. I'm not. I play in an up-tempo punk band, and I'm investigating the mechanics of hand speed, because hand speed is important in my genre. |
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2007, 03:02 PM » |
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you seem to imply that I'm neglecting the importance of a good groove by asking a mechanical question. I didn't mean to imply that at all! When I said "What difference does it make" I should have said "what difference does it make where it comes from as long as you acquire the speed necessary for the piece" It matters not if speed is genetic, natural muscle developement, or a product of conditioning caused by hours upon hours of practice. |
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2007, 03:08 PM » |
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Yes, I'm not an expert on the human body, but I think all drumming speed is gained from hours of practice.
Every human is slow and clumsy when they first play a drum.
And after years of practice I've seen all human body types with fast hands and feet (fat, thin, tall, short, athletic, unathletic, muscular hulk, weedy Whitten.....oops).
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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2007, 03:45 PM » |
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I didn't mean to imply that at all! When I said "What difference does it make" I should have said "what difference does it make where it comes from as long as you acquire the speed necessary for the piece" It matters not if speed is genetic, natural muscle developement, or a product of conditioning caused by hours upon hours of practice.
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2007, 03:50 PM » |
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In psychology we were told that the maximum speed for twitching one's finger was pretty much genetically determined and training could make only a slight difference.
As much as I hate that argument, it's certainly consistent with my experience. I wish I'd spent a lot less time learning to play more quickly and more time learning to play well.
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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2007, 04:41 PM » |
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In psychology we were told that the maximum speed for twitching one's finger was pretty much genetically determined and training could make only a slight difference. That is true but the slowest genetically "twitching speed" is still much faster than is needed for musical drumming. |
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2007, 05:47 PM » |
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Yes, I'm not an expert on the human body, but I think all drumming speed is gained from hours of practice.
I probably know more about the human body technically than I do drumming but I would say that hours of practice and learning technique would play a bigger roll in Speed than Muscle Development. Nutty |
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2007, 11:03 PM » |
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IMO, speed is gained by precisely timed engagement and disengagement of muscles. But then that falls under technique and in the OP the assumption was that technique was "sound".
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