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« Reply #80 on: September 17, 2007, 12:36 AM » |
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Actually I agree. They are pretty much as per the original recordings, apart from solos which are (of course) improvised an extended etc. I wouldn't say 'verbatim', but I also wouldn't say much of the material had changed over the years, had developed, or was re-arranged. As for the songs...... They are playing most of my favourites, but not too much of their early material like 'Do It Again' and 'Reelin In The Years'. It seems to be mostly Royal Scam, Aja and Gaucho, with a few others tossed in.
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« Reply #81 on: September 17, 2007, 01:56 AM » |
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The Ups and Downs.......... Granted, I'm very lucky to be working, let alone sharing a stage with such illustrious company. I've had a few bad moments though. The show before last was another open-air, winery show. The result was no soundcheck for anyone. Once again we had the local support band. We agreed they could borrow the drums again (no snare, no cymbals). A very quick change over between bands was scheduled, but I decided to nip onstage just to check the positioning of the kit. It was all over the place. The stands were all marked and memory locked to suit me. The previous time this band borrowed the kit, I was able to sit down and play it straight away. This time I saw they had actually changed the memory locks, not even loosened them to alter a stand (which would have annoyed me enough), but actually changed them. So our drumtech of the day assumed the kit was still set up for me.  I feel a bit worse about the fact no one asked, or later apologised. No one said a word, which strikes me as a little selfish. Last night we were back indoors and got our usual 1 hour soundcheck. We had yet another new drumtech. This guy was good (and nice), so I asked him to change the head on my Craviotto snare. When he removed the drum for the stand I noticed for the first time a 1.5" scratch on the shell. Too deep to be buffed out. Again, I was upset because I don't even position my drums too close together and we'd only played 4 shows at that point. Anyway, I don't know when it happened. As the drum tech changed the head on my Craviotto, I put the new Brady Jarrah on the stand so we could continue the soundcheck. To my disappointment I noticed one of the tuning rods had gone missing. This is a drum I haven't used on a gig and had only been removed from it's case and placed near the kit in case something went wrong with my main snare. Again, it escapes me how a tuning rod could have come loose and been lost on an unused drum.  The perils of touring without a dedicated drum tech! Lastly, a perennial bug bear cropped up. I had had a suspicion about this for a few soundchecks. I can't hear my drums out-front unless someone else plays them. However, I can tell from experience what my drums should sound like when they bounce back to the stage from the back wall of an arena. And in this case my suspicion was confirmed, my bass drum was being gated by the outfront sound man. I tend to play at a consistent level throughout the show, but we are good musicians and also play with dynamics. Several songs in the set drop down to a very quiet groove for 16 bars or so. It really bugs me to think the guy has mixed 4 of our shows now (PLUS soundchecks), has heard the quiet sections in some songs, can see I'm still playing, but has never done anything about the fact I'm not coming out of the PA system at that point!!! Aaaaargh. 
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« Reply #82 on: September 17, 2007, 07:38 PM » |
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Chris,
Will you continue to allow the local warm-up bands to use your kit? If so, how will you ensure they won't make any changes?
Did you find the missing rod from the Brady snare? This incident and the scratch on your Crav makes me wonder if someone's messing with your gear.
Did you resolve the gated kick issue with the FOH sound guy?
Hopefully you got everything resolved without any trouble.
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« Reply #83 on: September 17, 2007, 07:47 PM » |
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I don't think there are any other support bands. We have two shows in New Zealand at the end of the week, so I haven't checked what is scheduled, but I think we only had the local support for the two outdoor shows in Australia. I hope the gated BD issue was resolved. I pointed out the issue during the soundcheck and played at my lowest level for several minutes while he fiddled with the gate. I don't understand why gating is needed, my bass drum is fairly tight (not to mention damped). I wouldn't be surprised to find my toms are tightly gated too. In these cases, as you can't control the sound yourself, or hear yourself during the show, you have to rely on the good practices of the sound reinforcement team. A couple of people I trust have said our sound is great. I guess that's all you can ask for. I've got to admit I'm not too keen on the sound of Keith Carlock's snare and toms through the PA. He's using tiny clip on mics, like a 10 cent coin on the end of a stalk. I don't know if that's the problem, or just that my taste differs. His overhead mics are Earthworks. His (Zildjian) cymbals sound superb, as do his vintage hi-hats.
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« Reply #84 on: September 17, 2007, 08:43 PM » |
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This week sees us play the two major markets in Australia; Sydney and Melbourne. The nature of a Steely Dan show means many of the top musicians in both cities will be in the audience. Tonight I have a well known local drummer as my guest, as well as the head of music at a Brisbane University (his second show in a row as he saw us in Brissy on Sunday). Representatives of my equipment sponsors will be my guest in Melbourne. Over halfway through the tour. Five down, four to go. Things I want to achieve....... Not playing the same fill too many times. Not speeding up (however great or small) over the course of a song. Both irritants stem from my lack of drumming over the past few years, leading to a lack of confidence and command over the instrument. I'm happy with my basic groove and the energy of my performances. Everyone seems to think my drums and cymbals sound great. Exactly a week from now we'll be playing our last show.
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« Reply #85 on: September 18, 2007, 08:46 AM » |
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Speaking of "out front", it's also standard practice for the sound engineer to not push up the faders on the mains for the opening acts. I don't get it, especially in this day-and-age of automated boards, but alas, it's the whole "don't want the opening acts to shadow the main act" I guess.
I find that really frustrating, because at the end of the day, a good sound might show us some new headliners, and probably make famous bands work harder to be considered headliners. I recently saw Metallica live, with a very poor performance (in my opinion), because they can now fart at the mics, and everyone will start cheering... Sorry for the off topic... Regards
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« Reply #86 on: September 18, 2007, 08:58 AM » |
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Things I want to achieve....... Not playing the same fill too many times. Not speeding up (however great or small) over the course of a song. Both irritants stem from my lack of drumming over the past few years, leading to a lack of confidence and command over the instrument.
This statement explains to me why, "You are a pro." It takes real commitment to recognize those things about yourself. 
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« Reply #87 on: September 18, 2007, 10:16 PM » |
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Chris,
Thanks for the updates I'm looking forward to hearing about the Sydney and Melbourne shows. You mentioned that you couldn't hear yourself very well on stage. Is this due to poor monitor mix or "no" monitor? Also, what type of monitors do you prefer for stage work, in-ear or some type of floor wedge? My apologies if this was mentioned elsewhere.
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« Reply #88 on: September 19, 2007, 10:20 PM » |
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The poor sound was in the beginning. Our monitors have actually been pretty good for most of the tour. My bass drum sounded rubbish for the first couple of shows. I assumed it was a small and cheap monitor I was listening to. Then around the third show everything seemed to clear up and my bass drum sounded ballsy. I mentioned it to the monitor guy and he said he'd realised there was a serious problem with the eq section on the monitor desk, had fixed it, and as a result everything was sounding much better. I wear -25db earplugs, so in-ear monitoring is a non starter for me. I have a small wedge. Most of Steely Dan are using wedges, a slightly nicer version of ours. Only the guitarist is using IEM's. Keith Carlock is constantly checking a metronome with an earplug, so IEM's would be out for him too. The Sydney show went well. Tonight we play Melbourne. The last show in Australia.  It feels like the home straight already. Only two shows in New Zealand after this. I'm told that's the end of The Dan tour too. I'll check on that tonight. I feel I've played better on this World Party tour than the US tour a year ago. I've played the songs quite a few times now, and we've played together as a band for a while now. Good stuff! 
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« Reply #89 on: September 20, 2007, 05:57 AM » |
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It's great to hear the ins and outs of someone working at the moment. I miss the daily grind of playing.
Just one thing about IEMs - in order to facilitate the use of a metronome, etc. I simply set up a small mixer of my own and take my monitor feed in and out of that. I use another channel for the metronome so can check it at any time and/or use it as a click. It also allows me to control the level of my own mix if needs be, without recourse to the sound guy. Most of the Shure IEMs give a pretty sizeable dB cut. I can't find the exact specs on it at the moment.
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« Reply #90 on: September 20, 2007, 08:54 PM » |
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 Our 3 hour flight to New Zealand has been delayed by 5 hours. So todays travel/day off has just become all travel. I chatted with Mr Carlock last night. These are their last two shows and the whole band are looking forward to going home and having a well earned rest.
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« Reply #91 on: September 20, 2007, 10:27 PM » |
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I chatted with Mr Carlock last night. Did you happen to mention the Drummer Cafe?
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« Reply #92 on: September 23, 2007, 12:01 PM » |
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Keith is on the current issue of DrumHead for anyone interested in his set up.
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« Reply #93 on: September 23, 2007, 05:02 PM » |
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Now we are in Christchurch, New Zealand, the last venue for this whole tour. We are getting closer to Antartica and the weather is cold and wet (10c). Tomorrow we all fly home. This is about as far away from the UK as you can get. My flight is only 3 to 4 hours, but my band mates have 26 or more hours ahead of them.  Ahhhh, the glamour of touring. The previous gig in Auckland was great. We had an all new soundteam, New Zealand based, and I had a new hire kit to contend with. It was DW again, and sounded fine. I had a problem with the bass pedal during soundcheck and it manifested itself during the actual show. The pedal detached itself from the bass drum on the third song and there wasn't anything I could do to reattach it. The bass drum had moved a bit on the floor, but somehow I managed to play the rest of the show fairly normally with a slightly distant drum and an unattached pedal. I'll have to investigate and/or replace the pedal before this final show. So...........yet another small taste of music touring comes to an end. I'm looking forward to getting home where it's warm and sunny, the very beginning of summer. I know after a week or two I'll really miss that busy feeling and the artistic satisfaction of working in a team and entertaining large amounts of people.
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« Reply #94 on: September 23, 2007, 09:55 PM » |
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Well bugger it. I go away for a while and come back to find Chris is touring again.  Sorry I've missed most of it live, but glad to catch up on the tour diary! I sure did enjoy last years show in Boulder--definitely one of the most fun concerts I've ever been to! And thanks for the Youtube link Paicey--very cool! And that's not even one of my favorite Dire Straits songs--but you made it great Chris!  There sure were a boatload of musicians on that tour--did you like playing w/ a percussionist too? Or was it a hassle? Also noticed the pedal steel guitar--I read an article recently re: Mullen pedal steels, made right here in some pissant little town in eastern Colorado...couldn't see if that was a Mullen tho. They've been around a long time apparently. Glad the tour has (mostly) gone well. Hope you find your tuning rod.  robyn
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« Reply #95 on: September 24, 2007, 04:33 PM » |
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Tour over. I'm about to step on the flight home. I see on another drum forum I've been criticised for being a basher. I guess I should be pleased that at nearly 49 years old I can still offend people with the volume of my backbeat. 
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« Reply #96 on: September 24, 2007, 05:45 PM » |
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Tour over. I'm about to step on the flight home. I see on another drum forum I've been criticised for being a basher. I guess I should be pleased that at nearly 49 years old I can still offend people with the volume of my backbeat.  HA! I guess you can't please everybody! I hope I can be called a basher when I'm your age. Of course, I'm nearly there now...  Thanks again for sharing the ins and outs of touring. This is priceless info to us. EDIT: Oh, and I came across the other forum you mentioned. I like the way you handled it there. Good stuff!
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« Reply #97 on: September 24, 2007, 07:01 PM » |
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I see on another drum forum I've been criticised for being a basher.
And the knucklehead who uttered the words probably never graduated from jamming in his basement with his beer buddies. Congrats on a successful tour.
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« Reply #98 on: September 24, 2007, 08:51 PM » |
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I think most will agree with me when I say I really appreciate your willingness to share with all of us your experiences. I think it's extremely cool of you to take time out of you busy schedule to fill all of us in on what it's like to be on a professional tour. I can't think of another artist or another forum where this takes place. Thanks Chris. You are an awesome dude for doing that.  Thanks to Bart and Mr. A for providing the forum and keeping it first class all the way too.
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« Reply #99 on: September 24, 2007, 10:12 PM » |
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I see on another drum forum I've been criticised for being a basher. I guess I should be pleased that at nearly 49 years old I can still offend people with the volume of my backbeat.  Now Chris, that same guy also says that your snare sounded beautiful, and much better than Carlock's brass Yamaha. That's gotta count for something, yes? As others have mentioned, THANK YOU for sharing your experiences! Priceless info for us commoners.
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