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« on: September 20, 2007, 03:31 PM »

This came up on DrumForum.org and I thought I would paraphrase my response in order to share this with those at the Drummer Cafe.

Someone at DFO noticed these videos of my performance in 1980 at the Montreux Jazz Festival with Klaus Doldinger's group, Passport and asked me to fill him in on some details. 

I think it's cool that these videos has surfaced after all these years - even though there was a live album released of this concert - unfortunantly for me here in the states it was released only in Germany. So not many people here heard (or saw) any of this. So how did I, living in California at the time, even land the gig with Germany's premier fusion ensemble?....

Well I met a guy at a bar... actually the bar was the musician's lounge, backstage at the Montreux Jazz Festival 1977 - right after my performance there with the Don Ellis Orchestra. The guy at the bar was, of course, Klaus Doldinger - who was there to perform with the Atlantic All Stars the next night. "Hi - liked your playing...good show... blah, blah, blah" and that was it. Cool. I met Klaus Doldinger and he liked my playing. Like I said... cool, but I met a lot of people at Montreux that year...

Anyway, cut to the fall of '79, and I get a call out of the blue from Klaus' US manager asking if I would like to come to Munich to do some sessions for the next Passport album. Uhhhh....OK.

So a few weeks later, I get on a plane, fly to Munich where I'm picked up by Klaus and head to this little village hotel near his home (where he had a great little studio). Anyway - I later learn, Klaus was wanting to make a change drummer-wise, but needed to get going on this album. So his thought was he'd bring me and the band in for a week, we'd record part of the album - and then he could decide before recording the second half to continue with me or return to the guy he'd been using.

I think he was looking for a more controlled, pop-ish approach than he'd had previously - the whole Tom Scott- "New York Connection" - the CTI stuff - LA Express - along with the rest of the fusion Mahavishnu/Weather Report/Return To Forever thing, of course... but the whole, cleaner pop thing was certainly a good part of what he was looking for.

Which I guess I was able to give him. Anyway things went well - great players - fun, not-really-difficult jazz rock music... we finished the whole album in a day short of the week he'd scheduled to do half of it in. That was the "Oceanliner" album.

The next spring - I was invited to do a 5 week tour (which was supposed to continue in the states, but didn't - bummer) - which we ended with recording a couple of concerts. These were safeties for the album that would be recorded at Montreux 4-5 weeks later.

Kind of cool - playing virtually everyday with a band like this for 5 weeks (2 days off the whole time) - 2+ hour concerts everyday - then getting a little time off, then hitting it again - kind of itching to play. This was what happened at Montreux. For me, real fun - the edge of being there was off a bit (a good thing!) having played the same stage three years earlier. So just get out there and play. Fun!

Anyway after Montreux - we went back for a week in the studio to start the "Blue Tatoo" album. Which we finished in Oct. of '80 connected to another short tour of Germany and Austria.

And that was it - 3 albums, two tours, the Montreux festivals and four trips to Europe - all in 11 months. And then Klaus was focused more on film composing than Passport for awhile, then was later back at with some of the old guys and some new faces and on and on.

Musically - what was required? Being a quick study certainly helped. Of course, all the knowing how to play - styles, references, having listened, etc. But the new material came from Klaus as sketches or lead sheets - never a drum part - but no one was looking to spend all afternoon looking to teach the drummer the form, the breaks, the hits, etc.

Of course, none that means anything if it doesn't feel good, but let's say everyone was real pleased that "the new guy" was able to adapt, try new ideas, change the arrangements around, as quickly as everyone else.

After that, live, it was about reading just how much more "intense" than the records were we interested in playing - finding that place where everyone (particularly the leader obviously) felt both supported and excited by what was going on behind them.

Anyway that's my whole Passport story...

here's the link to the You Tube videos -
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/p/DD1C8FCE2A2CAEF1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/p/DD1C8FCE2A2CAEF1</a>

have fun,

David

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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2007, 06:04 PM »

Wow, thanks David!

UPDATE:  I just watched about 6 of those.  Wow, you really got to cut loose on many of those!  If I may say so, your approach reminded me a lot of Vinnie from videos I've seen from that time period. Can you comment on any simularities oand differences between his fusion playing and yours from that time period? 

Too bad we couldn't see more of you in the video, but I guess we have to endure long periods of band leader's face blowing into his sax...   Tongue 
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2007, 07:53 PM »

Good stuff!

I remember there being a reall buzz about Passport when I was in college (late 70's).
I owned a couple of the albums, can't remember which I'm afraid.
I've only watched one clip, but I'll watch the rest when I have a little more time.
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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2007, 01:24 AM »

This was VERY enjoyable!  You're actually not a half-bad drummer. Wink  Seriously, I liked your playing so much that I played all of the videos, some a couple of times over.

Are those Blaimere drums?  The hats and crash cymbals sounded especially wonderful, so I'm curious to know what cymbals you used.  You made it look easy.  Nice work!
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2007, 03:16 PM »

What a cool batch of videos... thanks David!  Those are fairly good quality recordings, too.  Not only did I enjoy the music, but it was a trip back seeing all the gear from that era.   The keyboards especially.  When you watch them, what are your impressions... what memories of those times on stage come to mind?
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2007, 04:32 PM »

Very Nice work David, I'm curious how much has your set up change since those days?  You seemed pretty comfortable with the toms starting high on the left to low on the floor tom.

PS Killer work on Alegria

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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2007, 06:05 PM »

I heard "Bassride" so far.

I love the drum sounds; in particular, those of the snare drum.  I notice you dampened it exactly as you explained not too long ago in the "deep snare" thread. Smiley  Also, the cross-sticks are great.
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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2007, 02:58 AM »

Are those Blaimere drums?  The hats and crash cymbals sounded especially wonderful, so I'm curious to know what cymbals you used. 

Except for the snare - those are Pearl drums.  Passport had a deal with Pearl - so I ordered that set for the European touring we did that year. The snare is blonde wood 5x14 Oaklawn Camco.  The only cymbals that I know what they were for sure (because still have and use them) is the hats - a pair 14" New Beats and my 1968 20" A Zildjian ride - that I still use more often than not.

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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2007, 03:04 AM »

Very Nice work David, I'm curious how much has your set up change since those days?  You seemed pretty comfortable with the toms starting high on the left to low on the floor tom.


My set-up concepts haven't changed much since that time - though understandibly I don't always (more like rarely) need so much stuff. But when I do have a need for 5 or 6 toms, that is pretty much how I would set them up today.

The center crash cymbal thing is something I'd forgotten about - kind of a "Believe It" period Tony Williams thing.  I can see myself making use of that again.

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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2007, 03:15 AM »


I love the drum sounds; in particular, those of the snare drum.  I notice you dampened it exactly as you explained not too long ago in the "deep snare" thread. Smiley  Also, the cross-sticks are great.

Thanks.  As for the drum muffling - pretty rarely do that to that degree these days - but it is still a very viable technique depending on what you are going for (that would have been a folded paper towel held in place by a piece of gaffer's tape.

These days, on that same drum, I have a diecast hoop on top, which helps the crossticks even more. At the time of this Passport stuff, I had already been playing with Burt Bacharach for a couple of years - and Burt's music tends to be about 85-90% cross stick - and he was pretty aware of the need for that sound to be both warm, full and consistant (at whatever dynamic). That is where the habit of playing with my left stick turn around started - IMO crossticks rarely cut it played with the tip by the rim. And playing matched grip, the switch back and forth just became not worth the effort (plus I remember Jeff Porcaro oftentimes playing backbeat stuff with the butt end - not so much for volume, but rather for the fuller, beefier tone it produced.

And BTW - thanks to everbody for all the kind words throughout this thread - it has made it very fun to share about this.


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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2007, 06:31 PM »

Burt's music tends to be about 85-90% cross stick - and he was pretty aware of the need for that sound to be both warm, full and consistant (at whatever dynamic).

Interesting how something many of us don't even think about comes into focus as a crucial part of your technical arsenal.
That's why it's so great to play with varied artists IMO.
With McCartney I was expected to understand legit 50's Rock n Roll, and the sound. With Dire Straits it was Nashville. In the end I haven't majored in either, but at least I was confronted with the issue. I've not as yet been required to examine my cross stick technique.
Interesting stuff.  Smiley
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