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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2007, 11:48 PM »

motech, I know that my teacher has a couple students who are out on their own, playing in bands, who come in for an occasional lesson to brush up on something that they're weak on. I don't think that you should feel "goofy" asking a teacher for specific advice, and I'd think that a good teacher would be happy to teach you at the level where you are, w/o feeling like you need all the basics regurgitated at you.
 I am wondering about your grip tho--you say that you hold your left hand thumb up and your right palm down, but not traditional grip. So you're talking matched grip. But I was taught matched grip as being both hands w/ palms down. I'd think your left hand would tend to be a bit stiff playing w/ thumb up. So that might be a basic for you to work on.

Don't worry about asking questions, even if you think they're too simple. This is a great place to learn, lots of good advice and professional attitudes. No flaming here. Smiley  And there's always many more of us who have a lot to learn too.

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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2007, 12:15 AM »

 Yes, that's why I was careful not to even use the term 'matched grip' because in truth, I don't have a matched grip that way. Actually my left isn't stiff. I have a relatively loose grip with alot of wrist action. I think, if anything, my wrists are my strength among many weaknesses in terms of drumming. I've got quite strong and flexible in all directions wrists lol. My strokes are fairly compact. Only drums I really ever put alot of arm into are my floor toms. I am sure, however, the grip likely changes at least a little as I play in terms of position. Not something I really notice while I'm playing. Just not that technically knowledgeable about it. I just know I naturally tend to hold the sticks that way. Doing it the 'right' way, traditional grip I doubt I could even play the drums at all, just never worked for me.
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« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2008, 08:38 PM »

When you refer to your grip,I have heard the thumb on top of the stick being referred to as the french grip,palm down as german and somewhere in between as american,In thunder of drums , John Bonhams bio,they said he played one hand french and one german alot of the time.I have seen many drummers use french grip on the ride cymbal for certain figures.
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« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2008, 02:41 PM »

When you refer to your grip,I have heard the thumb on top of the stick being referred to as the french grip,palm down as german and somewhere in between as american,In thunder of drums , John Bonhams bio,they said he played one hand french and one german alot of the time.I have seen many drummers use french grip on the ride cymbal for certain figures.

When I first heard of these 3 distinctions, back in the '70s, it was in connection with timpani playing. The French grip was indeed held with the thumb on the top, so when you are looking straight down at your hand, you see the thumb. But it's more than just a position, it's also how you use the back fingers, a lot more finger control of the stroke than wrist. German was explained to me as pretty much the standard snare drum grip, back of the hand up, more of a wrist stroke than fingers.

Then a graduate student came in to North Texas who had been studying Timpani in Germany for 3 years. Completely destroyed what I had thought German grip was. Yes, the back of the hand is up, but the sticks were held very loosely, back fingers completely off the stick, and the stroke was a Moeller type. The mallets were also very different, very thin shafts with very large, puffy heads. Extremely relaxed, very dark tonal sound.

American would be what I was taught by Kal Cherry of the Dallas Symphony. Closer to the French, but the hand slightly tilted to the inside, so the muscle between the thumb and index finger is on top. The stroke, however was completely different, a wrist rotation similar to what I do now with 4-mallet marimba using Stevens technique.
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« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2008, 09:54 PM »

Here's Dom Famularo doing an OK job of explaining grips. It's not Jojo good, but it's plenty good enough:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/QTPbb35JcUI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/QTPbb35JcUI</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/vYj8N3bQ8VM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/vYj8N3bQ8VM</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/9VUTwzxR2o8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/9VUTwzxR2o8</a>

I personally refuse to teach American grip because I'm convinced it leads to bad habits -- rotating the wrist in a way the wrist was not meant to be rotated, leading to potential damage. For matched grip, I prefer to teach German grip, but I personally use a French grip in the right hand for swing ride.
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« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2008, 09:22 AM »

I wish Dom had explained the rotation of the forearm in the French Grip. There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding of the thumbs-up grip. I see a lot of people play with their thumbs on top, but their forearms are spread too far apart and they're using the limited motion of the wrist side to side and the the elbow to produce the strokes - a recipe for disaster in the wrist and thumbs. It's SOOOO important, with all the bad information kicking around on the web, etc., to emphasise that the French Grip uses the rotation of the radius over the ulna bone like when you're waving to someone.
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« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2008, 02:32 PM »

Doubles are way too under rated.  
I use them more than singles in every aspect of my playing ( slow or fast.  it makes no diff ).
Doubles are way too under rated.
The expressive headroom acquired by doubles is far greater than singles ( assuming identical playing circumstance, i.e. same speed, same groove, etc. )
Broken doubles are to die for.  Especially, when coupled with accent placement.
Doubles are way too under rated.
Speed is only one skill doubles can help one achieve ( way too over rated ).
Doubles can help one create wonderfully expressive single handed melodic tom fills that are not overbearing ( again, slow or fast, it makes no diff ).
...and Doubles are way too under rated.
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