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« on: October 21, 2007, 07:37 PM » |
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I'm on a comeback after a lonnnnng absence (35 yrs)....coming back with matched and somewhat open handed playing.
I'm noticing that I can't yet get the feel right for jazz left hand comping with matched. The left hand flip/snap thing for brushes for example doesn't seem to work well at all. I have been working exclusively with matched for a year now, so don't really want to go back and develop my now atrophied left trad grip abilities again....wouldn't take that much, I started in drumcorp.....but still....I have other things I would rather work on....
Anyone else go through this..is it purely mental or are there also physical/sonic differences?
I only raise this possibility, as I remember a comment by Tony Williams, the gist of which was that although he used both grips...he felt the trad grip contributed a unique flavour (my word) that meant both hands had a unique and different contribution, i.e not an equal contribution, as far as texture (mine)... not meaning that they were not both equally developed, but had different roles (mine)
Thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2007, 08:16 PM » |
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I play both ways, but use traditional more. I'll sometimes switch to matched as the song needs more input on the snare. Then switch back as I need more precise feel or input. I don't think about it much, I just do it as needed. Right or wrong, that's just the way I play. Go with the flow as required. Seeing as you were out so long, you were probably taught more traditional. That is, if you had training prior to quitting. Use what works best for YOU.  |
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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2007, 05:32 AM » |
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I play matched grip and I do it well. I've also seen great jazz players play matched exclusively.
Subsequently, there are things you can play traditional style that you can't matched.
Just practice both grips (or not) and become the player you are destined to be. Never compromise the sound for "how" something should be played. If you don't groove/comp. well with trad. or open playing, then don't play that way! It's ok.
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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2007, 12:54 PM » |
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i've always found it difficult to do the comping stuff with matched grip [particularly ghosted notes], but it can and is done by lots of players. for whatever reason, i had it engrained in me to play standard jazz stuff with traditional. i like the way it sounds and feels...i guess one could say traditional is the 'weaker' grip, and thus lets us get those softer textures, but then people like vinnie c. slam traditional, sooooo...
i think we should practice everything [even though right now i ain't practicing a dang thang], and getting your 'softer matched grip' together would be one of those things. just do it slowly.
two people i've seen do matched comping really well are terri lyne carrington and gary husband. gary sometimes uses his pointer finger to bounce the stick and flutter the notes. looks whack, sounds great.
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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2007, 07:02 PM » |
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I'm play with both styles as well. I am working to become a stronger matched-grip player (with good success).
I struggled with the "pureness" of switching back and forth... ... until I saw Dave Weckl do it in a clinic a few years ago. Since then, I've seen lots of players switch. Hey, if it's good enough for them...
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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2007, 06:35 AM » |
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I don't think it really makes a difference
Some of us tend to lean on traditional grip for straight ahead. I'm often one of those. One can argue that the bead of the stick impacts the head differently with traditional grip than with matched, depending upon the angle at which the stick hits the head. But the bottom line is the feel. Heck, listen to Bill Stewart. And Jack DeJohnette is now playing matched grip.
They sound pretty good to me. I have not heard anyone credible accuse them of not swinging.
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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2007, 08:58 AM » |
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Add Citizen 'Tain to that list....
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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2007, 06:51 PM » |
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I use the old style of tilting the snare like a marching drum. So I've gotten familiar with the angle for hitting solid cracks, or rimshots for accents. I can do it either way, not a problem. I've just grown up around that angle. Too flat and it's tough for me to do. Old school....  |
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2007, 02:29 PM » |
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It just takes some getting used to. You'll get it.
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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2007, 03:34 PM » |
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I converted from trad to matched over two years ago and I'm still developing... not quite as good as I was with trad but getting better.
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« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2007, 09:42 PM » |
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I know there are so many great players that use match to play jazz. But for me, it just doesn't FEEL right......it's like trying to play metal with trad grip. I know......there's probably someone famous out there that plays trad in a metal band......I just can't think of anyone.
So I've been working on the trad grip more..........
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