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« on: October 25, 2007, 11:48 AM »

hey guys, im quite a slim person and have "drummer arms" ha. Girls  Wink anyway i like keeping fit and keeping toned. When i say like i mean i did... because i found i struggled to drum if i did some small weights that day or the next day. Does anyone else go to the gym, do weights, etc. and play drums well? and why is thomas lang so hench?! ha i met him at drummer live at the weekend!. Very nice guy Smiley

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« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2007, 02:29 PM »

Being healthy and toned isn't going to hurt your playing.

Yes, Thomas has some major "guns" for arms.

I'd say if your technique is there, having some muscle won't hurt at all.  Look at guys like Virgil Donati and Bobby Rock.  They are stacked and play great.  But then you have guys like Ray Luzier who is very skinny and just wails away like no tomorrow.  Tommy Aldridge was another guy that was scrawny, but toned and could slam.

I honestly think it's more about technique, talent and attitude.  But being healthy is great and there is nothing wrong with a healthy lifestyle *makes mental note after not smoking a lousy cigarette for the past 3 days... felix goes back to chewing finger nails*
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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2007, 03:43 PM »

ha ha guess so man, but do you think some people produce these muscles through drumming e.g thomas lang? a technique? or is working out a pastime....you dont need cigarettes felix!! he he
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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2007, 04:03 PM »

ha ha guess so man, but do you think some people produce these muscles through drumming e.g thomas lang? a technique? or is working out a pastime....you dont need cigarettes felix!! he he

With the size sticks that Lang uses, he may have developed arms that size just drumming. Not. You aren't going to develop much muscle mass through drumming. I wondered about drumming and weight lifting myself. I started working out seriously early this year and have actually have improvements in my drumming that I believe are directly related. The first few weeks may be different, but once you are in a routine and your muscles are use to working out, I don't think it will hurt your drumming at all.
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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2007, 04:05 PM »

I don't there is a link between 'buff' and drumming.
I agree with felix, it's a real positive to stay fit and healthy, as drumming is an all body, physical activity.
regarding your comment about struggling to drum......
You are tiring your muscles out at the gym, so it's no wonder that effects your ability to drum.
Either way, it is largely irrelevant.
You could split your time between the gym and drumming (not on the same day), especially if you like the look of muscles.
Or you could never lift another weight in your life and be a very good drummer.
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2007, 04:08 PM »

Addendum:

Light to medium resistance training has many health benefits.
It's even been shown to benefit the very elderly.
Being fit (in any way) is bound to help your drumming.
I'd warn against linking weight training directly with drumming however, especially if you get obsessed by it.
Much better to spend those hours practising techniques like rudiments and groove.
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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2007, 11:46 PM »

It seems too that there are more people into some sort of martial art, even Tai Chi, who find that those things help their drumming alot (can I use that word, or does it fit in the "probably" category?).

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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2007, 12:14 AM »

I agree with Chris - light to medium resistance training to stay reasonably healthy.  Along with others, I think Jojo Mayer, not a large guy but large in technique, has suggested the danger in building too much muscle mass as actually hindering your abilities...okay...slowing you down.

If it helps with your own personal feeling of well being it's probably fine, but should be combined with an awareness of not over doing.
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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2007, 12:23 AM »

I used to think muscles helped with drumming skills.

I've just seen too many monster players with very little 'beefcake'.

I do believe like others have said that being fit helps you indirectly. I actually started working out over a year ago for health reasons. It hasn't made dramtic differences in my playing but there are other great reasons and benefits for me (Like living longer).

I could possibly see some benefit for speed metal players who are using all leg for bass drum playing. But that's just speculation. There are plenty of fine, speedy metal players who don't. For example, Chris Adler looks pretty skinny to me.

Maybe stay in shape in case you suddenly go on tour and have to beat your body up with lousy sleep habits and questionable food choices.  Grin

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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2007, 11:49 AM »

I don't think any one can accurately say that working out and building muscle mass will dramatically hinder your drumming. I personally like working out. It also benefits me in some other things I do in life, like softball. I don't work out to improve my drumming. As long as it does not hinder drumming, I will do it. In my experience, having muscle mass does not hinder drumming like some say it does. Granted, I certainly am not built like a massive bodybuilder. At that point, I would think it would definitely hinder you. There is going to be a balancing point somewhere. I have yet to find that point. That point is probably different for each person.
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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2007, 01:47 PM »

Drumming is such an aerobic activity.  So staying lean and strong like a runner or swimmer is what I think would be optimum for drumming.  Lots of flexibility and endurance.  So light weight training with cycling and lots of stretching is what I try and do.
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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2007, 01:59 PM »

Drumming is such an aerobic activity.  So staying lean and strong like a runner or swimmer is what I think would be optimum for drumming.  Lots of flexibility and endurance.  So light weight training with cycling and lots of stretching is what I try and do.
I think you have the best idea.  Swimming and Biking are probably the best.  I heard the name Tommy Aldridge earlier.  He might be thin but he is in very good shape and strong.
Also, when I have played one of the Marathon practices that we do when it is over my shoulders are worn out. I can barely lift my arms and going up the steps of my house just about kills me.  If that isn't a workout I don't know what is.  Watching Mike Teranis  and some of these power hitters, I would say that playing that style of drumming is a very good work out.  Lars looks like he is going to explode when he finishes a song. That is a physical work out.  Playing Country, probably isn't a work out.
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2007, 04:18 PM »

Drumming is such an aerobic activity.  So staying lean and strong like a runner or swimmer is what I think would be optimum for drumming.  Lots of flexibility and endurance.  So light weight training with cycling and lots of stretching is what I try and do.

     I have actually thought about this topic quite a bit.  I am a martial artist that does alot of sparring (fighting), a marathon runner and a body builder to some degree (well o.k. my arms are probably bigger than yours).  I actually have to plan how many hours of drumming I am going to do into my training schedule. 
     Druming builds minimal muscle.  Heavy weight lifting and diet build those.  Drumming is much more like bike riding.  I do not consider drumming a part of training but it will kill my recovery time. 
     I don't think my weight lifting helps to much in drumming but it sure doesn't get in the way either!  The endurance from long distance running and fighting rounds for a couple of hours sure does help though.  Being fit sure has made everything in life a lot more fun.
     Well, there is my bit for all it is worth. 
     I feel busted, I was supposed to be working out when I sat down at the computer just now Wink.
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2007, 06:10 PM »

for once......i think i have started a useful topic and one that people are interested in Smiley good stuff. As long as it dosnt hinder i will carry on.. I think i dont let myself rest enough
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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2007, 06:23 PM »

Since I've been out for so long from my accident, I should get back in shape again. Play in the basement for 2 hours, rest 15 minutes and do it again. Find a gig, play 4 hours then back to the basement. Nothing like playing to get back in shape.   Wink   Great thinking for a 60 year old guy. Beats running and pushups....I'm already skinny, so the weight problem isn't something I have to fight with. I've only gained 5 pounds over the last years hospital feedings. Up to 140 lbs....  Shocked 

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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2007, 08:21 PM »

I'm of the aerobic camp on this subject (running, stretching, swimming, etc.). I feel it builds the endurance and keeps me toned and flexible enough to allow the technique to work for me. I do push ups and use light dumbbells sometimes, but usually take it easy with those if it's a "playing" day, and I feel good and toned all the while. I've over done it before and felt too tight at times - aha! The balancing point.

I think amoacristo nailed it. The balancing point is going to be different, very individualized....and probably ever changing for the individual as well.
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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2007, 01:03 PM »

I think amoacristo nailed it. The balancing point is going to be different, very individualized....and probably ever changing for the individual as well.

That probably is true. I didn't think of it being ever changing for an individual as well. I think if you pay attention and maintain reasonable flexibility, developing muscle mass should be fine.

Something just dawned on me. I have developed a descent amount of muscle this year, but I do train for explosive power instead of just strength. The difference between the two would probably make a huge difference in your drumming. There are some amazingly strong people in this world that probably couldn't out run a turtle if they had to. Just something else to think about.
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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2007, 04:18 PM »

Johno,

Great to see another drummer interested in weightlifting.  I've been an avid weightlifter for about as long as I've been drumming (about 18 years) and believe me, gaining muscle mass is NOT easy.  It's not like you just pick up a barbell, lift until you fail, and then wake up the next morning with a large muscle.  Nope, it doesn't work that way.  If it did, everyone would be muscular.

Instead, it's just like drumming!!  It takes MANY weeks, months, and even years of consistent training, along with many other factors (i.e. sleep, diet, fitness goal, etc., etc.) to achieve signficant results.  So, just be sensible about what you set your goals to, and then work hard and consistent at them, just like you did when you started drumming, and hopefully still do.

Oh, and if I didn't mention it before--go ahead and train for muscle mass---you don't gain it fast enough for it to become an 'overnight' hinderance to your drumming.  In the meantime, you'll feel better, look better and your drumming will IMPROVE. 

I could go on and on, but the one piece of training advice I would give to you would be:  train your whole body--not just your arms or just your upper body. 

Maybe we can start a separate thread on this stuff in Miscellaneous.  Good luck, have fun and be safe!

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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2007, 07:59 AM »

Maybe we can start a separate thread on this stuff in Miscellaneous.  Good luck, have fun and be safe!

  

Good Idea.  Have you noticed some of the most read posts are about health.  Even the new issue of DRUM has Andy Doerschuk's column (p.14) on how his improved health has changed his drumming.
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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2007, 03:17 PM »

didn't read every reply, but...weightlifting helped my drumming a lot. maybe coz i was a weakling to begin with. i found that being stronger meant i exerted less effort for certain things. and it seemed to strengthen the drum muscles that were being developed. maybe not for the major muscle groups, but the sinewy muscles felt improved, especially when i did wrist/forearm curls.

i think being healthy overall is good for everything: body, mind, soul. stretching is key, too.


jennifer--cool beans. martial arts rock. what style do you do?
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