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I went to go and see Gary Moore last night as I am partial to a bit of Blues and as a result really want to learn some blues stuff. I have only ever played 4/4 beats though as I am a beginner (some may have seen my cymbals thread). Would playing blues be out of my reach at this stage, also does anyone know where I can get some simple blues grooves on the internet for me to look at?
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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2007, 02:56 PM » |
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I went to go and see Gary Moore last night as I am partial to a bit of Blues and as a result really want to learn some blues stuff. I have only ever played 4/4 beats though as I am a beginner (some may have seen my cymbals thread). Would playing blues be out of my reach at this stage, also does anyone know where I can get some simple blues grooves on the internet for me to look at?
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No, I don't think that playing the blues is out of your reach at this point. It's never too early to get an understanding of the one of the most important harmonic structures in Western music. I see you feel the blues as 6/8 so you get that blues grooves are often based on dividing the primary pulse into three. You can also think of it as triplets in 4/4, or as as 12/8. Let me explain. If you're used to playing 4/4 beats, you've probably played 1,2,3,4 on the ride or hihats, 2 and 4 on the snare and 1 and 3 on the bass drum. Now play that slowly with a metronome (60BPM or slower) but for every beat in a bar of 4/4 imagine splitting it into three. Start by counting on every quarter note - "1, 2, 3, 4." Without changing what you're playing, count: 1-and-ah, 2-and-ah, 3-and-ah, 4-and-ah. The 4 counts will still fall in the same place, just the space in between will be divided in to three. Once you can do that, you should be able to hear the 6/8 feel in your head. Once you've got that down, then try playing all the notes you count on the hihat or ride while keeping the bass drum on 1 and 3 and the snare on 2 and 4. Bingo: you're playing blues....
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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2007, 02:57 PM » |
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One quick way to beginning playing these types of beats is to simply swing the divisions of the beat with all the grooves you present play. For example ... if you are playing basic Rock groove, Kick on 1 2 3 4, Snare on 2 and 4, and HiHat playing eighth-notes or 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &, you can swing the eighth-notes on the HiHat which turns the HiHat part into a shuffle. Take this approach with other grooves and beats that you already know. It may not work on everything, obviously, but it's a quick way to double the number of grooves that you know! 
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2007, 07:59 AM » |
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thanks guys, I shall have a go later on!
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2007, 09:39 AM » |
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Bart and Boomka have covered the technical basics. You might start by finding songs that have the feel you are describing...one obvious one which comes to my mind as my band plays it is "Black Velvet" by Alana Miles. I am sure there are 100's of others. I find myself torn between a lazy swing and that firmer 6/8 feel on "Heartbreat Hotel" Let us/me know what you find...as I also much prefer that triplet feel in blues. Cheers, Bob
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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2007, 10:03 AM » |
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The triplet feel is your friend in most blues playing... a 'swung' triplet feel is even better and something you'll probably fall into naturally with more exposure and playing time in a blues context... This goes not only for the various shuffle beats you'll run into - but also for fills, pick-ups etc...
Good luck with your foray into blues -- it's relatively 'easy' to learn the basics, but can take a lifetime to master...
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2007, 12:46 PM » |
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cheers mate.
I love that triplet feel that you refer too, sounds awesome!
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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2007, 12:46 PM » |
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It looks like the respondents have established what the feel should be. Now, here is a neat little trick to enhance that feeling on the hat.
Use the butt/shoulder of your stick to accent the last beat of your triplet on the hat as follows...
bead, bead, shoulder/butt ( open the hat just a tad to create and leave it open to drag the last beat ). This creates a wonderful draggy wash that carries the 6/8 feel well.
1, 2 333333( shoulder/butt and hat slightly open), 4, 5, 666666 ( shoulder/butt and hat slightly open ) | 1, 2, 33333( "" ) 4, 5, 666666 ( "" )
Forgive any reduncancy please. I hope this was clear.
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2007, 01:09 PM » |
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Now, here is a neat little trick to enhance that feeling on the hat. If you really want to get that "bluez feelin" goin all you need to do is find the meanest woman in the city and date her for a couple of years.  You have to feel the blues--reading about it is not the same but you may come close.
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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2007, 05:31 PM » |
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Led Zeppelin - Since I been lovin you.
I also see it in a few country songs.
This is more of a question not a statement.
Thoughts/confirmation?
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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2007, 11:24 PM » |
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Good advice so far.. Also, Listen, listen, listen. I'm convinced that if you love the music and you listen to a lot of it, you'll get it into your bones and you'll be able to play it. Spend a few bucks on some Robben Ford ("It Don't Make Sense", "Make Me Your Only One", and "Hard to Please" on the Blue Moon album are great and give several different feels for the 3 pulse)
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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2007, 04:59 AM » |
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At the risk of seeming pedantic, isn't blues 12/8? I was taught in music lessons it is, and is counted 123-223-323-423, which is how it can be played in slow numbers, and not playing the 2 in all four groups to get the shuffle feel? An exercise I use is to play the full twelve notes on my thigh while tapping 1-32-33-34-31-32 etc with a foot (dah-dedah-dedah). This reinforces the correct placement of the notes in the triplet feel, and when you've got that right with your hands on the hats, learn to swing it! This swing, a slight deviation from the '3' note placement, is quite individual, and gives you your signature. My signature is a bit wavery, by the way, it takes time! The bass drum is basically on the 1 & 2 with the snare and hats on 2 & 4. Once you've got it, use the bass drum to propel the song by doing a few doubles and being a bit busier, and variations on opening and closing the hats, but not to excess, of course! That's how I learned it, anyway. Hope this helps.
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2007, 08:41 AM » |
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Hairy,
You're right in a sense: usually we talk of the blues being in 12/8 or 4/4. But, when it comes to time signatures, my view has always been that these are simply mathematical and visual representations of the physical sound of music. That is, they are simply ways of abstracting what we hear into something we can see and/or describe in terms of mathematical relationships. As such, aside from the ease of writing/reading/communicating there is really nothing to choose between this sort of blues feel being communicated as triplets in 4/4, 12/8, 6/8, 3/4 or otherwise. It is convention to speak of it as 12 bars of either 12/8 or 4/4, but that convention followed the sound, not the other way around. So you're right. In order to communicate with established musicians who have developed a common lexicon, it's in 12/8. But, if a person is hearing it in 6/8, I think it's useful to begin with that understanding in order to help them learn. In this case, this would make a great jumping off point into the relationships between time signatures, subdivisions and possibly even polyrhythms.
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