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« on: January 22, 2008, 11:06 AM »

I picked up a used tama Tension watch with no instructions a while back and finally tried it out. I was happy that my readings seemed fairly close for the most part. Tama site is kind enough NOT to post any instructions there. I understand the concpt about going under the desired tension in order to tune UP to a lower tension. I have done this for years while tuning by ear.

Question: Where do you normally place the unit to take your readings? I expect opposite each tension rod but how far?

I've been finding a 50 to 60 pound(?) tension reading to work well on my toms. I have 5 toms and like higher tunings, 8x8, 10x8, 12x8, 15x14, 18x16 (haven't checked the 18 yet). Bass was between 40-50 but really hard to do because I used pieces of self stick vinyl to creat a reso logo and that interferes with the measurements.

Any tips on using the Tension Watch will be appreciated. I have noticed that if you drop the unit in place slightly the readings change noticably. Maybe it's best use is as a check to see what, if any, lug has detuned itself after transport vibration or if any are way out there after tuning by ear and forget about it for primary tuning?

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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2008, 11:13 AM »

When I get home I will find my instructions and email them to you.  I typically measure with the base of the unit 1 inch from the edge of the drum.  It is important to be the same distance from each lug.  I plan on measuring the thickness of a head and then measuring different distances to compare readings.  I place the edge of the base on the drumhead then slowly tilt the Tension Watch to the upright position.  This seems to provide more consistent readings. 
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2008, 11:18 AM »

Hey, why wait for my slow self to get home?  You can download the instruction manual Here
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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2008, 11:37 AM »

I had one made by Drum Dial, same thing, different brand name; and it came with a little 'offset clip' that spaced the thing maybe 1/2" from the rim. 

My advice to you is get rid of that thing.  Let me explain.

When I had this thing, I was still a bit unsure of my 'by ear' tuning ability, so I got this thing to help.  I'd tune by ear, get the drum sounding reasonably good, and then go around with this thing.  The readings would be WAY off, by that I mean more than 3-5 units off.  Ok, I would go and make the dial read correct for each lug.  The drum sounded like total S**t, and then when re-checking by ear, I found that it was WAY off!!! 

I took the dial back to the store and exchanged it for something more useful.  I tune by ear and have excellent results.
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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2008, 12:06 PM »

My advice to you is get rid of that thing.  Let me explain.

And my advice is keep it.  Let me explain. 

Everyone should learn to tune by ear.  The tuner is no magic tool.  It will only tell you when the drumhead is in tune with itself.  You must find the sweet spot for that drum by ear.  I own both the TAMA Tension Watch and also the Drum Dial.  I just purchased a second Drum Dial from a Cafe member for a gift. 

One of the great things about the Dials is being able to quickly tune a new head.  Once you tune your drums by ear, record those settings and you can easily duplicate them with new heads of the same type.  Another positive for the Dials is being able to check your tuning on stage when the guitar players are derelicting (my own word) around or when you need to check your tuning without making any sound. 

It does take some practice to learn to use the tool but it is well worth the effort.  Although the two instruments function the same, you will get different readings due to the different weights used in the instruments.  If anyone is interested I will post comparison charts.
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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2008, 12:20 PM »

Im with Louis on this.  I had always tuned by ear and aquired my dd by winning a bet.  At any rate, I find it to be very helpful especially when changing out heads or when I go from tuning in a very cold environment to one that is warm.  Its so easy to get the drums quickly tuned using the dd and then fine tuning by ear.  If there are variances in the readings thats often ok-its the sound I care about.

My numbers are for toms 75 top, 80 bottom, bass is 70-75 for batter, 75-80 reso.  Snare is about 85 batter, 80 snare side give or take depending on snare type.  I can swap, tune and fine tune a 5 piece in about 40 min. using a dd.   w/o the dd it takes about 1.5 hrs Embarrassed
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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2008, 12:38 PM »

yeah, keep it. they are great.  I have the Tama one.

depending on the tom I'm around 70 to 60.

I might start at 60, get it close all the way around and hit the drum.  Okay, it might need to be cranked up some more- go to 65, check it out, get it close etc.  Same with the bottom head.  Usually around a half inch or so from the hoop.

They are awesome and fast I think.
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2008, 02:19 PM »

Thanks for the link, Louis. When I tried to find that a couple months ago, I couldn't ;>(  Would have answered my questions. I'm glad I'm not the only one that tunes with the higher values (readings) when tuning by ear ;>)

Not getting rid of it. Drum head use is a matter of mechanics and should be able to be measured with mechanical devices. At least to get it close. An artist always fine tunes anything by using ALL their senses.

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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2008, 06:54 PM »

Thanks for the link, Louis.  I'm glad I'm not the only one that tunes with the higher values (readings) when tuning by ear ;>)

I will dig out my notebook this weekend (it is buried in drum gear somewhere) and give you the readings for my drum  size/head combinbations.  I have readings saved for both the TAMA Tension Watch and the Drum Dial.
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