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« on: January 11, 2008, 10:53 PM »

 
I'm 50 (returned to drumming after a very long break a year ago) and I'm just joining a band whose members are 32-36, so not very young, but very much younger than me. How much do you think this counts? (Experience, ambition, physical fitness, etc.)
OK I know age doesn't count when you're jamming and having fun with other musicians, may it be just a party or a paying gig. But this has got to be a concert playing band with quite a long-term project, and their audience may be even younger. When I was at secondary school, I listened to Purple, Sabbath and Zep as contemporary music - when they were at school, they listened to the same music as history, and they also listened to new bands that I don't know at all. I've already passed family events like marriage, divorce, parents' death, etc. - they're just at its beginning with small children or even unmarried yet. Etc. etc...
So what do you think?
 
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2008, 12:59 AM »

I'd like to say that age doesn't matter but I think that's a bit of a romantic notion.  On one hand, you could be the best thing for the band, adding some maturity/perspective, dare I say "history" Roll Eyes, keeping things a bit level.  If the band mates don't have a problem with your age and you click musically it could be great, after all they aren't 19 year olds.  And I assume you are not the front man so for a the fans that are focused on the guys out front, you shouldn't be aaaaaa, hmmmm, distraction Wink.  I get a bit perturbed when I see a posting for a drummer and the requirement is "under 30" - but on the other hand, a lot of kids paying to see a band probably don't want to be looking at musicians their parents age - BUT I don't think your in that situation.  So, maybe the main thing to be concerned with is 1) do you click musically, 2) will you be comfortable being the elder and having to go along with all that entails?  Good luck with it, whatever you decide. 
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2008, 11:07 AM »

I just turned 60, and have been playing in bands again for about 10 years after a long layoff.  I've generally found less age discrimination among jazz players than in rock settings.  I've usually been the oldest member of the bands I've played with, and am comfortable with that now.

My ex-girlfriend told me several times that she enjoyed watching people's faces as they realized that the "old guy" behind the drums might actually be able to play.  Rock fans especially don't expect to see older faces or gray hair on stage, unless they're gray and older themselves.  That said, if you can play your age will be irrelevant.

What you will find playing with musicians the age of your band mates is that they'll have conflicts and issues that you don't, and you'll sometimes have to be patient with them as they deal with things you're long past.
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2008, 12:01 PM »

Hey George my man, are you an asset to the band?. Youve come up listening to the greatest rock drummers the world has ever seen or ever WILL. Take that experience with you. Hey, get some hair color for men, hit the gym each week, eat good, get testerone replacement therepy from your doctor and rock your butt off until Jesus gets back. Im serious.
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2008, 12:13 PM »

I just turned 60, and have been playing in bands again for about 10 years after a long layoff.  I've generally found less age discrimination among jazz players than in rock settings. 

i just turned 55 a few days ago... and have also returned to drumming after a long layoff.  My perception is the same.  I recently left a church band b/c they wanted yonger players on stage... they didn't come out and say that directly to me... but I knew... oh, well, I moved on to another church that dosn't care that I'm the old guy... hehe ...

But the reality is that age can be important in selecting band members... very similar to finding a life mate.  I would prefer to play with guys closer to my age... I think age is more important to some than others.  But like you said, Paul, it seems to be less important in jazz than rock... and some bands want a specific "look" ... for marketing reasons perhaps.

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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2008, 12:27 PM »

When an old dog is on the smell again, he's a young dog again. (Stupid proverb by myself.)
Yep, I don't think old....But it's hard to teach those young dogs in the end. After all is said and done, those guys may be sitting around and saying, "That old dog sure could play." But I have my doubts making it just because they may be looking at my age difference for the "image" of the band. I may be wrong, but only I can talk with them, play with them, and prove myself as a better pick. I have another saying that's comes from experience, "It's hard to teach young dogs old tricks if they don't listen".  But it's their choice not mine. The best I can do is show them ME. I'm ready, the question is: Are they ready for ME? Time will tell....By the way, I'm 60.  Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2008, 12:41 PM »

you old dog, you
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2008, 01:45 PM »

I'm 30, my bass player is 20.

He parties way harder than I do, but when I was 20 I was pretty much the same.  I'm hoping I'm a good influence on him, instead of acting 20 myself!
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2008, 05:49 PM »

I have been playing drums most of my life.  I will be 60 in less than 3 months and I have learned "Old age and treachery will outsmart youth and vigor every time!"   Grin 
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2008, 06:45 PM »


What you will find playing with musicians the age of your band mates is that they'll have conflicts and issues that you don't, and you'll sometimes have to be patient with them as they deal with things you're long past.

Yes, completely true.
What I really wonder is how you can get along with four other people who, only because they're 14-18 years younger than you, have a totally different image or idea of the world. OK, music and the presumably well-going band keeps you all together, but how can you be friends and what will you talk about apart from music?
(I think the members of a serious and honest band with ambition and good chances for a long-term project should be friends and care for each other, and always feel very good together - not only on stage or in the rehearsal room, but also when they're doing just anything...)

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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2008, 08:29 PM »

(I think the members of a serious and honest band with ambition and good chances for a long-term project should be friends and care for each other, and always feel very good together - not only on stage or in the rehearsal room, but also when they're doing just anything...)

Well said.
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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2008, 09:28 PM »

.........(I think the members of a serious and honest band with ambition and good chances for a long-term project should be friends and care for each other, and always feel very good together - not only on stage or in the rehearsal room, but also when they're doing just anything...)

Although this is what we all would likely want, I don't think it means you have to be good friends to have a successful working relationship.  A lot depends on the professionalism of each member.  I'm sure we could all think of great bands that had great musical chemistry but didn't hang out off stage if they could avoid it.  After all, for many, it's a job. Is this a possible stepping stone to better things.  Does this look like the best opportunity for you at this point in your career? Do you have a lot of other options?  Do you really want to do it?  Are you in the kind of physical shape need for touring?  Lots of things to consider but I wouldn't be afraid to do it simply because the others come from a different background.  Good luck and keep us posted.
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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2008, 11:11 PM »

diddle, I find it completely appalling that a church band encouraged you to leave b/c of your age! I'm glad that you moved on--I'm sure you have found a better church now anyway!

George, maybe you can give some of today's music a listen too. I've found a lot of it that I like. Some of it is good and worth keeping around and playing. I'd say if the group of you play well as musicians, then give it a chance. I'm 43--so it would be like me playing w/ mid/late-20's band members. Wouldn't bother me a bit, as long as everyone had the right attitude. In our praise band, members' ages range from 19--early 60s. It all works out very well.


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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2008, 12:56 AM »

I'm 17.....my bass player is 44 and my guitar player 30.   I consider myself lucky to have their experience and maturity. 

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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2008, 06:14 AM »


Although this is what we all would likely want, I don't think it means you have to be good friends to have a successful working relationship.  A lot depends on the professionalism of each member.  I'm sure we could all think of great bands that had great musical chemistry but didn't hang out off stage if they could avoid it.  After all, for many, it's a job...

Yes, that would only be the ideal case, but in practice it rarely works like that, which is usually OK with great professional bands, though lots of stories can be heard about excellent bands breaking off due to personal conflicts. As for amateurs, who play music only beside their daytime jobs, I think friendship is much more important. I've also been playing with another band for a year now, and there were very few rehearsals and just 5-6 gigs during this year, because the members are not too interested in spending much time together. When any of us has some other programme, the others happily cancel the rehearsal or even a gig, and I'm sure a band like this will never survive.

... maybe you can give some of today's music a listen too.

Good advice. I've already collected 25-30 albums in mp3 on which my new band mates grew up or listen to now. And fortunately, they know most rock classics on which I grew up, so from this point of view the difference is only the shift in time: they got to know what I heard fresh, when those bands were active and at the top, only much later.

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... In our praise band, members' ages range from 19--early 60s. It all works out very well.

The situation is much better, I think, when all the members are of different age. But when all are about the same age, and there's only one of a totally different age, this one might sometimes feel uncomfortable because of this. Even though all the others accept or even appreciate this. But sure, the whole thing can really work very well, I'd never say it can't.

Old age and treachery will outsmart youth and vigor every time!

Definitely true. I've already experienced this in many fields of life: work, personal and family relationships, etc. Older age certainly has its advantages, so I would always encourage the youth and everybody to live as long as they can. Smiley
 
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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2008, 07:43 AM »

Just don't get all high and mighty on someone that is younger than yourself:

1.) they could have played as long or as longer than you *time spent on instrument*

2.) they might have come from a much richer musical background

3.) they might just have, plain and simple, more talent- and that trumps experience alot of the time.

So basically, age is not a factor in my book.  You can give and take to and from all ages.
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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2008, 09:49 AM »

Just don't get all high and mighty on someone that is younger than yourself

Or Older!  I was very lucky when I was in my young teens that I was around some very experienced musicians who “took me under their wing” and taught me the ropes.  They were some great guys and age never mattered to them or to me.

they could have played as long or as longer than you *time spent on instrument

You are correct again Felix.  If you are going to judge band mates by age it should be by their maturity age or musical age and not their physical age. 
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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2008, 10:45 AM »

If you are going to judge band mates by age it should be by their maturity age or musical age and not their physical age. 
I'll second that....I may now walk with a cane, and now have a beard. But once set up I'll stick with them on any style of music. That is, except rap! Can't stand singers who can't sing.   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2008, 07:13 AM »

I'm on the verge of starting a new project with some band members who are in their 30's/40's. I'm 17 myself. I think Hannah put it well really. I go into this project hoping to gain experiance and to mature as a musician and as a person.

I am eagerly anticipating the challenge.
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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2008, 12:43 PM »

I resently booked a Jazz band for pur Lions Club Xmas party. I know a number of the guys from bands I worked with in the past. What I didn't know was that the guitarist was aman from my past. We worked together when I was coming up in the ranks as a teen thru my mid thirties, When out members saw this eighty-four year old man, they had quit alot of crude remarks concerning his him. All I said was, what and see what he can do. Well, he put on a show that made our guys feel ashamed of what they had said. This man didn't miss a beat. IMHO he was as good today as he was thirty years ago. This was the main reason he was playin with this band. Expeirence won out in this situation. He not only had the respect of his band members, but the the gretest respect from our club members and friends. Age, grey hair, wrinckles and all signs of older age dieappeared in a heart beat. Then just for a kick, since they were taking requests, I had  our president request Tiger Rag. It brought down the house. Several days later I had out president over to my house to listen to a tape of the same tune, by the same man witrh another band back in 1961. Hecouldn't believe it was the same person.I can't make this long story short, but it's not the phyical age of the musician, however, the mental age instead. Also the condition he has kept himself in over the years. Daily work outs , and keeping up with the music of today as well as the music of yesterday/yesteryear. Respect the person for what he/she knows and can teach you, not for how old he/she looks. You may be pleasently surprised. Sorry for the length of this post, but I had to get this off my cheast. Another twenty years and hopefully I'll be that same age and I can only hope my condition will be close to his . He is fantastic. Pround to have played with this man and others like him.
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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2008, 01:27 PM »

i think a lot depends more on your attitude than your age. if you think old, you will act old. if all you can report is how it was back in the good old days, no one wants to hear it.

are you current in ways other than your age? or are you stuck back in the day when you were young?

do you think there is no good music anymore? is your idea of great, maybe, elvis, beatles, stones? not that they were not great, but there have been many more since them with mega talent.

do what you can to live in the now, not the yesterday, and your age as a musician may matter less than you think. Kiss
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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2008, 01:32 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2008, 04:15 PM »

 
There have been great posts here with good remarks and suggestions, many thanks for them.
As for music, I've got no doubts, age really doesn't count. But as regards offstage issues, friendship, etc. I still have the suspicion that people with too much age difference can't get along so well as e.g. those who were mates in the same school.
If we put music totally aside, has any of you got any experience of age problems between people that are together for one or another reason?

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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2008, 04:52 PM »

If we put music totally aside, has any of you got any experience of age problems between people that are together for one or another reason?

My wife is almost 10 years older than me, and it's still funny to us to see some people's shock when they initially discover our age difference.  Many find it impossible to comprehend... I have no idea why.

I'm significantly older than anyone in my band, and there are no issues.  We don't hang out apart from gigs and practices.  That's preferable to me, since I'm just not interested in the same scene that they are. 
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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2008, 04:57 PM »

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If we put music totally aside, has any of you got any experience of age problems between people that are together for one or another reason?

Well, I don't typically hang around with people my kids age so the only age difference problems I've experience are
1) with my kids - nothing unusual but it is funny when I hear from my kid that I'm old fashion - hey I still feel like a cool, progressive 25 year old.   25 was quite a while ago Wink

2) at church - our church (about 700 people) has several generations of folks which is great but you can't avoid running into "issues" periodically when there are so many different "perspectives".  Issues range from musical preference, to trying to keep kids from trampling the seniors at the donut line, political points of view, etc.  

When I was asked to join the band I'm now in, the young background vocalist told me that she was surprised at hearing an "older" guy play well.  That was awkward but we laughed it off and have a great relationship.  
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« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2008, 05:09 PM »

the young background vocalist told me that she was surprised at hearing an "older" guy play well.  That was awkward but we laughed it off and have a great relationship.  

There was a young lady who said basically the same thing to me a couple years ago and I told her "Yeah, it surprises me how many young girls have a skewed perspective of age and how it relates to music music!"  We have been good friends since.  On a side note, I was running sound for a Church today.  After services I was playing "Blessed Assurance" by Michael English.  It is a really Bluesy version of an old old song.  As I was shutting down the system one of the guitar players started playing and i figured why not.  For the first time in 14 months I played a little drums.  I didn't get carried away but it felt good to be behind the kit again.  We had a great time for about 15 minutes then I thought I better quit and see how the shoulder does tonight and tomorrow.  Who knows, I may shorten up on the wait to heal more. 
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« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2008, 05:16 PM »

I'm significantly older than anyone in my band, and there are no issues.  We don't hang out apart from gigs and practices.  That's preferable to me, since I'm just not interested in the same scene that they are. 

Yeah, that's it, exactly, I feel and do the same with my present band. And now, that I'm offered to join another band with the same age conditions, I just started to think about all this.
 
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« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2008, 05:22 PM »

Yeah, that's it, exactly, I feel and do the same with my present band. And now, that I'm offered to join another band with the same age conditions, I just started to think about all this.

As long as everybody is cool with the arrangement, it works out just fine.  It is proactive of you to think about it, and hopefully the age difference won't be an issue where it really matters, which of course is on the bandstand. 

There have been instances where I was interested in joining bands, but my age was a barrier.
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« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2008, 06:35 PM »

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest age is not always the best indicator of maturity.

I work at a television station that produces a midday show that often includes live music. We shoot the music in the early in the morning so we can merely cut to top of the best possible performance when the show goes live.

Last month we booked an older group (late 20s, early 30s) and told them to show up at 7 am during the weekday for one hour of set-up and sound check and one hour of shoot. The four of them straggled in between 7:15 and 8. We shot one song instead of two and told them they would never play on our show again.

More recently we had a group made up of a high school senior and his friends, all of them college freshmen. They play every Friday night at a club, but all over them managed to make it to our studios *early* for a 6 am Saturday shoot for a Monday show. They had spent the week perfecting their two songs to time (3 minutes each) so we actually shot a 3rd song they could add to their myspace page for free. They were still out of there before 8 am. One-take wonders.

It's always about personality and chemistry. Age really isn't a huge factor. Age can definitely play a role in the personality and chemistry -- just having different life or career agendas can impact that dramatically -- but age by itself is not something you should be very concerned about.

Go and play with them, work on your own professionalism, and see what happens.
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