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« on: January 26, 2008, 10:26 AM » |
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I have an audition next week for a rock cover band. I was entertained by the notes for the audition: What we are looking for is: 1. The ability to play the songs as recorded (beats, riffs, breaks, etc) 2. Less is more at this point, a bunch of thrown in extra stuff won't help 3. Meter.... 4. Volume and dynamics....we prefer a drummer who is about to break everything (kind of), better that you play louder rather than softer
I haven't heard people call for Louder playing in a long time. It's interesting. This is not a bunch of kids, either. These are 40 somethings with a rock cover band. But, I have logged several years of rock cover gigging - on bass - in this region, and more and more, the bars want - inspired playing - but at low volume. Very interesting. I don't know what will come of it all - but I bet it will be fun.  [Better put my Regal Tip Combo featherlight sticks down and get some tree trunks out.] [Maybe I'll use my Hannah Ford Vater's, which I only currently use when I go to the batting cage.  ]
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2008, 10:52 AM » |
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Seems like they have a very good grasp of the skills needed to be an effective drummer... the comment "about to break everything" sounds a bit juvenile... that would turn me off... but they did say "kind of" ... but maybe they really mean someone who can be "animated" instead of boreing (like me)  when I play. I've been told that I don't play loud enough... my response is "ok, we can mic the kit and make it as loud as you like" 
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2008, 10:56 AM » |
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I lost my first audition for a touring gig for not playing loud enough. That won't happen to me again.  Bring your loudest drums, your biggest cymbals, some beefy sticks, and get medieval on 'em! Have fun!
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2008, 10:59 AM » |
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I can conjure lots of volume, including with the foot, but I was taken aback by the comments, knowing what's going on in our bars. Bands get told to turn down around here, not crank it up. Our crew of bar hoppers wants to drink and talk while hearing music. Well, it will be an adventure. I'm over my obsession with hooking up immediately with a gigging situation. I have already seen a ton of time wasters since moving back to drumming and seeking a gig. I'll just have a laugh with it, and if it turns into something real, yippee. If not, I now have a funny quote from someone talking about "almost breaking everything."  [Ok, where are my HF Vater tree trunks?]
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2008, 11:02 AM » |
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hehe... "get midevil on 'em" ... that's my favorite comment from a Bruce Willis movie  ... how did that go? ... gonna get some homeboys... get da plyers out and get midevil on ya"... 
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2008, 11:10 AM » |
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Did somebody say "Louder?" 
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2008, 11:29 AM » |
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The last time Jeff Porcaro was told to play louder...louder!...LOUDER!!!! from Rickie Lee Jones he stabbed his sticks through his snaredrum and walked out of the studio and went home  . Ill never forget that story.
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2008, 12:17 PM » |
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No, I have never been told to play louder, even with light sticks. I have always thought the key was to use my ears. I have played music when the bass player was vibrating dishes off the shelf and CD's off the rack and they told me to play a little softer. My response was "I play to the level of the bass player, he needs to turn down", then I will play softer. Nutty
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2008, 01:29 PM » |
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I don't think I play loud compared to other drummers but I'm constantly told to play quieter. It's kind of funny because I'm only 5'4" so when people see me they don't expect me to play with volume.
But anyways, sounds like a good gig to bring out the lumber.
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2008, 02:32 PM » |
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Actually, Jeff put his sticks through all of his tom-toms plus the snare drum - he played the fill, stabbing the drums, holding the sticks like daggers!!  One of the keys to sounding loud on the drums, is to have a loud-sounding kit, with minimal dampening. Especially the bass drum, which is easily over-dampened. A room with lively acoustics can certainly help. The visual aspect is probably important as well - it has to look like you're playing loud.
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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2008, 12:04 AM » |
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2Bs or not 2Bs...That is the question.
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« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2008, 10:50 AM » |
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2B's..... held in reverse 
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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2008, 11:28 AM » |
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2B's..... held in reverse  A friend of mine brought his friend's band to play at a coffee house at my college. Somehow the drummer didn't bring any sticks, so he asked to borrow a pair of mine. I usually use 7A's, but he thought those were too thin and took my one pair of 2B's. He played them backwards and broke one of them.
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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2008, 11:35 AM » |
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...oh god. Let me guess, he has his cymbals up really high and flat and thinks he must be a really good drummer because he keeps cracking them?  Hehe sorry, couldn't help myself. I'm sure that's not the case at all. Though I think we've all met one of those drummers or been one of those drummers 
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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2008, 12:07 PM » |
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or been one of those drummers  Not me. 
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« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2008, 02:43 PM » |
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Sheer volume is not the only thing I pick up from the audition notes. They just want someone who plays straight forward and solid. You don't need a loud kit, or loud cymbals, you just need to put effort, energy and enthusiasm into your playing. When I was a young player, competing at auditions, I noticed that the drummers who played mid-volume and focused on their own playing instead of on the band sound as a totality (kind of introverted), more often than not didn't get the job. The sound of Pop/Rock is the sound of a drum kit being played loudly and confidently. It's more of a sound and energy thing than just a volume thing. I hear the point about bars looking for lower volume bands. If I were doing the audition, I'd play loud and solid, then address the volume issues at each venue as they occur.
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« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2008, 06:47 AM » |
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Often, when people ask me to play louder, I find that what they're really looking for is the rimshot. It's easy to forget that the other musicians aren't necessarily familiar with drumming terms and techniques.
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« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2008, 09:25 AM » |
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Mr. Frank...perhaps if you need some further insight - This approach may be what their looking for..... http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/tommyaldridgeyamaha.htmlGotta love Mr. Aldridge. 
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« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2008, 11:00 AM » |
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Wow...
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« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2008, 12:28 PM » |
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I thought I would throw this one in from my local scene this weekend:
Pro drummer wanted for local jobs. We are a three piece and play about 7 to 10 times a month. You must have reliable transportation, your own professional equipment, monitor and vocal gear, be able to appreciate constructive criticism. Must be proficient in rock, blues and funk, pop, country. Want to hear an mp3(s) of your live playing and a brief history of who you have been working with for the last 15 years. No beginners. Your vocal's would be a plus if you sing. We are looking for a drummer who wants to make music with us not show us how hard drums can be hit, no offence. Like we said in the beginning " Pro Drummer ". Please send your info to be considered. We will call if we like what we hear. Location: Cincy Area
be able to appreciate constructive criticism. Haha, I always love that one!
I don't see the relationship between making music and how hard one hit's their instrument if it is appropriate.
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