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« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2008, 12:49 PM » |
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I thought I would throw this one in from my local scene this weekend:
Pro drummer wanted for local jobs. ... actually that is the type of add that would catch my eye... they don't want a "banger" and they want someone with good interpersonal skills!  |
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« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2008, 02:14 PM » |
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All those ads sound like they are coming from control freaks.
Frank I thought you were a jazzer, are you picking up a rock gig now too?
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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2008, 02:38 PM » |
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All those ads sound like they are coming from control freaks.
My thoughts exactly. Pretty rare I would even pay any attention to an add like that. I answered an add like that a few years back. Turned out to be some of the biggest jerks I ever met. I doubt if they ever got their group off the ground. No one could get along. Everyone had to be in charge....A couple agents I know wouldn't touch them.  |
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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2008, 03:52 PM » |
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I don't think they are control freaks. I just think bands are driven to cut out as many timewasters and wannabe's as possible these days.
I don't think the first band want a basher. They just don't want a heavily jazz influenced drummer, who plays a bop kit with 5A's wasting their time. Nothing against those type of drummers, but they are (in their own words) saying they aren't looking for that kind of drummer.
I've been the auditioner, as well as the auditionee, and it's frustrating to waste time through an endless procession of inappropriate people.
The trouble is, there are more desperate musicians looking for gigs than there are good bands looking for musicians.
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« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2008, 04:41 PM » |
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I thought I would throw this one in from my local scene this weekend:
Pro drummer wanted for local jobs. We are a three piece and play about 7 to 10 times a month. You must have reliable transportation, your own professional equipment, monitor and vocal gear, be able to appreciate constructive criticism. Must be proficient in rock, blues and funk, pop, country. Want to hear an mp3(s) of your live playing and a brief history of who you have been working with for the last 15 years. No beginners. Your vocal's would be a plus if you sing. We are looking for a drummer who wants to make music with us not show us how hard drums can be hit, no offence. Like we said in the beginning " Pro Drummer ". Please send your info to be considered. We will call if we like what we hear.
Location: Cincy Area
be able to appreciate constructive criticism. Haha, I always love that one!
I don't see the relationship between making music and how hard one hit's their instrument if it is appropriate.
Seems they're very particular about everything. Except spelling and grammar.  I also like "vocal's would be a plus if you sing". Yes, I'd have to agree. Those are the best kind of vocals - the singing ones. |
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« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2008, 05:22 PM » |
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I think loudness is part of the game. If you play background music in a small bar, you should be soft on a small sized kit with light sticks and brushes. But in a large room, you must really beat it.
I was always told to play louder - now, fortunately, every larger hall I happen to play at has its own amplification system, so you can have the comfort of hitting the drums hard enough only to get the proper sound from them, and the rest of loudness is done by the sound techs.
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« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2008, 09:40 PM » |
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That ad reminds me of that tired old line: "The band consists of 4 musicians and a drummer. |
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« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2008, 06:29 AM » |
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I don't know. Perhaps you are right CW, perhaps not in some cases. I am under the impression that many "musicians" have no clue how they actually play. I got a kid up last weekend who has been telling me for weeks how hard and fast of a player he was, all of his great gigs, etc. (I mean who the heck am I, some clodhopper from ohio really)- ultimately he played like a mouse that could barely groove. It's seems like every band I'm in there are always several people leveraging for control on how things should be run or sound. Why can't music be fun and sound good at the same time ergo *everyone think like me*  |
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« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2008, 12:31 PM » |
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The other part of that equation, felix (and not to imply that I mean you) is that many musicians don't even know what they're looking for in a player when they want to audition them -- or how to describe it adequately. The characteristics they're looking for are very subjective, and they either over-describe or under-describe the trait compared to how the auditioner perceives it. It's like me trying to tell you what good music is, when you already have your own opinion. I've had to laugh at one of my own experiences lately for just that reason. I'm playing in a band with three of my cousins again for one gig, and they all have a ton of experience compared to me. And although I'm known outside of their circle as an extremely laid back and subdued drummer (and have been for 25 years), the lead guitarist likes to make little jabs at me, saying what a "heavy-hitter" he thinks I am. Puh-lease! It makes me laugh when I think of the pro drummers, well-known in this genre, who he would undoubtedly let go because they play too hard. Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder.. umm, beholder. Yeah, that too. |
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« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2008, 03:11 AM » |
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2B's..... held in reverse  How about reverse 2Bs doubled up? Is that LOUD 'nuff?
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« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2008, 05:41 PM » |
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Why doesn't he use a hammer instead? I don't see too much reason in playing like this: it surely won't improve the sound quality in a positive way.
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« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2008, 05:50 PM » |
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Why doesn't he use a hammer instead? I don't see too much reason in playing like this: it surely won't improve the sound quality in a positive way. I don't agree, if you are only talking about using multiple sticks. "Positive" is relative. What it DOES do is create a unique sound ... almost as if two or more drummers are playing in unison. I do this on occasion, although I don't play near that hard ... ever. So the multiple sticks isn't to be louder ... it's to create a unique sound.  There's a bigger issue with playing really hard, collapsing the sound of the drummer by over-driving it, than using multiple sticks. If you never used multiple sticks ... try it ... it's cool for some things. Hey, Steve Gadd used this technique decades ago, so it can't be all bad ... right?! |
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« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2008, 07:34 PM » |
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He's using a pair of single sticks anyway - not two in each hand. There's a weird blurring doubling effect on the YouTube clip. Pause it in a section where he's not playing. The sticks are almost certainly the right way round too. Also, 1) I don't think he's hammering the kit that hard and 2) it sounds good and is appropriate for the song. What's to criticise?  |
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« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2008, 08:56 PM » |
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He's using a pair of single sticks anyway - not two in each hand. There's a weird blurring doubling effect on the YouTube clip. Pause it in a section where he's not playing. The sticks are almost certainly the right way round too. Also, 1) I don't think he's hammering the kit that hard and 2) it sounds good and is appropriate for the song. What's to criticise? I'm with you, Chris. - This is Not two sticks per hand. - This is what the song required. It's played with a Whole Lotta Authority. |
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« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2008, 09:09 PM » |
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If only he'd left his shirt on, the take would have been perfect. |
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« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2008, 04:10 AM » |
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Is it common (as in not odd) to crash a cymbal with both sticks?
(he does it at for example 3:35)
I think that's what he was doing anyway. Not sure I've seen that before.
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« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2008, 05:52 AM » |
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He's using a pair of single sticks anyway - not two in each hand. There's a weird blurring doubling effect on the YouTube clip. What's to criticise? When he stops you can see that it is only one stick per hand. He is using a slow shutter speed(more with regular camera film) or some effect but I am just guessing. For what he is playing, it works. |
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« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2008, 07:03 AM » |
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Interesting. Acrylic kit-not Ludwig. I think his style of playing matched the song and dont think he was hitting all that hard really.
Dont really care for him being shirtless, but I know people with tats like to show them off-and thats ok I guess.
He definately is playing with 1 pair of sticks though. The video recorder had trouble keeping up with the sticks, thats why there is a double image. Airplane propellors do the same thing when they are videod also.
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« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2008, 11:31 AM » |
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If you never used multiple sticks ... try it ... it's cool for some things. Hey, Steve Gadd used this technique decades ago, so it can't be all bad ... right?! Still an interesting technique nonetheless. I have rehearsal this afternoon and will give it a try, Bart. Thanks! |
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