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« on: February 01, 2008, 08:52 AM »

but these people are being difficult. they'll contact me and talk to me and then i ask them about auditioning and they dont respond. its happened to me 3 times this week. but i will be patient. something good will come.
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2008, 11:41 AM »

Session work is not something where you call a studio and say "here I am!"  You must have something that would make you valuable to the producer.  What do you have that makes you better or unique?  Do you have a local reputation?  You are an unknown quality, why would a studio or producer want to take a chance?  These are some of the questions that require some thought and great answers.  It is hard for an established drummer to change areas and move into session work. 

In my opinion, cold telephone calls seldom produce results.  You need a good press kit, some high quality samples of different styles and then contact the studios in person with the intention of making an appointment but hopefully being able to talk to someone in person while you are there. 
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2008, 12:16 PM »

its just small time stuff. just some local country and rock bands. but
i do know i need some mp3's of me playing. perhaps a myspace with my playing different styles and my contact info and all that.
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2008, 12:30 PM »

Yeah ... I've never heard of auditioning for session work. Typically producers hear you play live and want you to do a session, or they've heard your recorded work, or you are referred.

I'm just saying that perhaps they aren't calling you back because the audition for session work is strange to them as well. It takes time to audition people; time that they may not want to part with.

If they don't have a drummer in the band, or this is for an artist without a band, you need to be in touch with the producer who is handling the recording project OR have a relationship with the studio (owner, engineer).

You've got to start some place.
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2008, 12:39 PM »

maybe i had a scewed impression of session work.
i just looked at what josh freese did. he would play with a band..record with them tour a bit and then he would move on to another band and so on.
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2008, 12:52 PM »

I have to agree with what Bart and Louis said about someone has to know about you, saw you play somewhere, heard some of your work or you were recommended. The way to do this is play as many different things as possible and if you are really that good, the studio will find you.
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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2008, 01:08 PM »

**i think maybe i was on the right track though cause ive been replying to bands who do local stuff and record, who happen to need drummers..that would get me out there, and noticed, especially if i prove myself to be a skilled and reliable drummer(i do believe myself to be)..one crappy thing thats happened so far.... a guy who did solo stuff who needed a drummer called me up and we where talking about playing music and it was going really good. he was going to set up a time to meet and jam a bit, then he asked my age..i told him i was 19..he cut the conversation short and hasnt responded since.. he also acted almost offended that i like prog rock and fusion stuff.
eh i dunno. im about to have an audition set up for a folk band.
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2008, 01:11 PM »

This reminds me of what it feels like to try to *break into* jazz playing
in this area.  I have tried to network with a whole lot of people, but
it's a tight knit assembly of the same crowd morphing into the different bands.
Since they don't know me, I don't get the time of day.
[Even if I may not be ready to play with them, but, they don't know that.  Smiley   ]
[I could be Buddy Rich, and they don't know that either, and they really don't care, because they haven't seen me out there.]
[So, it's me - and Jamey - Jamey Aebersold.  Smiley   ]
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2008, 01:39 PM »

because they haven't seen me out there

Right or wrong, that’s the way it works!  When I was a snot nosed 14 year old kid who could not hit a bull in the butt with a bass fiddle, I would hang out at the country dances in the area.  My dad and many of my Uncles were well known local musicians and when the better known acts would come through I was always there watching and learning the ropes. 

I was fortunate that many of these experiences players took me under their wing and would encourage me and also correct me when I was wrong, both musically and professionally.  Later on in my musical career I would beat out many better players at auditions.  I believe this was because these experienced guys taught me there is more to being a musician than playing your instrument.  Not only must you know what to play you must also know what not to play and how to conduct yourself both on and off stage. 

These attributes are what many refer to when they are talking about experience and many people do not understand how a young person can develop the experience necessary in a short time.  In my aviation endeavors we judge experience by hours flown but you can have two pilots with the same number of hours and vastly differing amounts of flight maturity.

I believe it is the same with music.  It is possible to have a 50 something year old musician who has been playing 30 years but once he leaves the stage, music is out of his mind.  On the other hand we may have a 20 year old musician who has been playing 7 years and has thought nothing of music day and night.  Now tell me, who has the most music experience?  People who judge solely on numbers are shortchanging themselves and the person they are judging. 

I can understand that producers can not invest time and money auditioning each person who has the desire to be a session player. This is the nature of the game!  Why waste money trying someone new when there are others available with a proven track record that can come in and lay down the track in the same amount of time as an audition?  Music is a tough craft and making it depends on many things other than musical skills.
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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2008, 01:54 PM »

yeah, the jazzer scene is hard to break into.

They all really kinda are.  There are way more musicians than there is paying work.

Keep plugging and playing.  Get out and network if you can.  If you aren't that busy, nowz a good time to mingle.

But if the guys don't dig you, there's nothing you can do no matter how great a player you are.
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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2008, 02:00 PM »

well im going to try to get out there and prove myself. i havnt been playing that long, but i am doing good.
i used to play bass in a band. we did a handful of shows. and i had been playing the bass about 2 years at that time. after that band disbanded my mom got me a drumkit for 50 bucks at a yardsell and ive maybe picked up my bass twice since then. that was about 2 years ago.  i fell in love what can i say
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2008, 03:40 PM »

studio playing is not easy.  Ya gotta have the smoothest groove in the world, you have to play with measured dynamics and it helps being able to read, count, and or follow and make charts.  Knowing when you are on the click, in front or behind it is helpful also.

Playing 2 years?  You have lots and lots to learn and practice!
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2008, 04:04 PM »

studio playing is not easy.  Ya gotta have the smoothest groove in the world, you have to play with measured dynamics and it helps being able to read, count, and or follow and make charts.  Knowing when you are on the click, in front or behind it is helpful also.

Playing 2 years?  You have lots and lots to learn and practice!
I think this is right on the money felix.  I remember when I was about 18 and thought I was the greatest in my head but I look back and think wow, How far I have come from those 18 year old thoughts I had. 38 years of this and drummers smoke me bad on drums and I am the guy Louis talks about that never stops working at it. There are drummer all over this forum that blow me away.  I have gotten to do some studio stuff lately that is great quality stuff but there are things that you are talking about with the Reading drum charts that would make me even more of a carrot.  I have been recording with someone that respects me because I play by 100% feel. Most pro studio's would probably rather have a guy/Gal that could come in and play off the chart exactly what they are looking for?  As everyone has said before about how it happends, the song writer had worked with me at church and thought I would work for two or three songs. This is the only reason I got to do some studio work but, now that I have done some and the final product ain't bad, I am looking to get used more. I think that is how it works CoolHuh                                   
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2008, 09:39 PM »

Of course in my mind I was ready to do studio work from about the age of 16.
The nature of the beast is that there are older and better drummers ahead of you. It'll be a while, it could be years, before the day everyone on the list ahead of you will be unavailable and you'll have your chance.
I was gigging with bands from 17 onwards. I was full time from 20 onwards. I travelled far and wide, to foreign countries. Auditioned all the time. Toured.
In the end, a friend got me involved in some recordings in Italy.
All due respect to Italians, but that did absolutely nothing for my recording resume. I did get some experience under my belt.
A year or so later I got to work with a well known producer in London.......and didn't have my sound together enough. So that was another step backwards.
All the while you aren't being considered for session work, you need to be building on your playing experience, perfecting your sound and tuning technique.
You talk about Josh Freese as if it just happened, but I bet years of hard work and many set backs went into the drummer he is now.
As for the prog-rock and fusion thing......
One thing about session work, it's not about being yourself. It's about being what the other person wants you to be.
When I'm discussing a project with a possible client. I try to say as little about myself as possible. Even some of the well known names on my resume can put people off.
Oh, you worked with Johnny Cash? Yeah, we're not about old school country...goodbye!

On the flipside, I try to educate myself about pop music history and current trends.
If a possible client mentions The Police, it's good to look enthusiastic and throw some knowledge about the band back at them. like songs you particularly like.
The Foo Fighters? "Yeah man, I love both Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins as drummers"
"Simple, but intelligent drum parts. Lot's of power"
If someone mentions Motown, you have to be able to talk on that subject for ten minutes without appearing never to have heard a Motown song in your life.
I rarely offer an offbeat form of music I personally like unless really interrogated.
Customers are scared of stepping outside the box.
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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2008, 02:27 AM »

Chrisso's advice is some of the most practical I've seen/read. Keep in mind getting session work is about nothing more than trust:

- Trust that you are easy to work with first and foremost;

- Trust that you will come in and nail your takes, not necessarily on the first take, but not so many takes that it will blow the budget

- Trust that you understand how drums are recorded and that you can quickly get your sound that can be used (however they end up compressing and distorting it)

- Trust that your ability -- if not your heart -- is into the music and you are the right flavor for what they're attempting to accomplish

- Trust that if they threw you a curveball, you're still capable of handling it and (to use another baseball reference) knocking it out of the park.

It's different for every genre and every producer. Trust is gained individually. Every producer is different, and every producer is going to hear something different. One producer might think you are the second coming of Gadd, but that's just one producer and you never take that for granted. Your goal, as a session musician, is to gain the trust of every potential employer on the planet.

I'd get away from emphasizing what you like. Start thinking about what the producer likes. When you get that you'll start getting gigs. That's how session musicians who get the gig think.
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« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2008, 06:27 AM »

im not saying its going to happen tomorrow or anytime soon for that matter. just saying thats what i want to do. im just going to start gigging as much as i can.
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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2008, 04:54 PM »

And educate yourself about.....
And explore the sounds of.......
Equipment that session drummers use.
there where these zildians...they where sort of two toned ...grimy looking at toop around the bell and then really shiney at the edge. i saw them the other day. they sounded GREAT.
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