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« on: February 05, 2008, 08:21 PM »

Sometimes I use the butt of my drumstick to do things. i dont know terminology well so i cant really explain how i do that but...im sure you can use your imagination.
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2008, 08:31 PM »

I turn the sticks around frequently to play.  What are you asking?  Is there a specific question?
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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2008, 08:53 PM »

What are you asking?  Is there a specific question?

Yes, what is your point?

Not to be rude, but I notice that you seem to be talking to yourself in your posts. You're not asking a question or engaging a topic for discussion.

And for everyone on the forum ... it's also helpful to make the subject title something relevant so the everyone (including those searching for specific topics) can understand and determine if this is a subject we want to discuss or that might have information we need or want.
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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2008, 09:05 PM »

And for everyone on the forum ... it's also helpful to make the subject title something relevant

Thanks Bart!  Not only does it make searching easier but it makes surfing the Drummer Cafe easier when I am supposed to be working.   Grin
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2008, 09:08 PM »

sometimes things that come to my mind dont really need answers i guess i shouldve asked "does anyone else do this" or..if it was traditional thing to do...ive noticed some snare drummers flipping their sticks around and useing the butt end to hit the snare..i dont know if that is just for show or for a louder sound. sorry about not really asking questions....i tend to try to get my subjects to invoke thought and conversation i guess...ill try to make them more relevant.
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2008, 09:30 PM »

ive noticed some snare drummers flipping their sticks around and useing the butt end to hit the snare..i dont know if that is just for show or for a louder sound.

It's not just *for show*.  There's more stick mass in reverse, so for power playing, it's very common.
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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2008, 09:44 PM »

i know its not just for show all the time. but...often times it does seem like it is for show.., i believe.

when i do the 'butt end thing' its typically to hit the lowest floor tom, and then the higher floor tom with my right hand and then a higher tom really fast with my left hand......the same thing could be done doing crossovers im aware, but it feels better the way i do it..for me atleast. . im wanting to say triplets but like i said before i dont really know terminology. so the term triplet probably isnt what im meaning...someone correct me
i use it to hit two floor toms and a higher tom really fast, is what i was aiming at.
i feel sort of humbled after this post. this is my first forum after all.
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2008, 10:07 PM »

im wanting to say triplets but like i said before i dont really know terminology.

Triplets are a way of grouping notes together wherein the value of the original note is divided by three. For example when you divide a quarter note by three you get three eighth notes that are connected together. That is the simple definition and explanation.
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2008, 10:09 PM »

I've been known to flip my left hand for a solid crack on the snare. Meanwhile my right hand is doing normal rudiments on the hat or a ride cymbal. Then I'll flip it back again. I don't even realize when I flip the stick over for an accent or louder snare work. It's just something I've done for many years. I guess that's the "old school" in me.  Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2008, 10:22 PM »

thanks louis. ive been aware of that but ive never been able to recall that. now that i think about it its not really that hard of a concept to grasp...ill remebmer it from now on..but...yeah...i dont know how to smoothly go back to the topic.
sometimes ill switch to the butt of my stick for show...ill hit the bell of my ride and then switch back and hit a crash...
its not really just for show...its quite fun to do...ill do it sometimes just to mix it up and screw around. 
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2008, 11:51 PM »

What you describe sounds like "backsticking".  It's fancy, but it doesn't record well. Wink
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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2008, 01:55 AM »

like i said before i dont really know terminology. so the term triplet probably isnt what im meaning...someone correct me

Are you taking any drum tuition by the way?
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2008, 03:26 AM »

I've been slowly building a Glossary/Dictionary of drumming terms here at the Drummer Cafe. It's far from being complete ... but you might find it useful for some terms you are not familiar with.
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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2008, 10:48 AM »

Everyone tells me that I play too loud anyway, so I haven't used the butt-end since high-school marching band.  If you do need the power though, they make sticks that are butt'ed on both ends, not to mention, other massive tipped sticks.

What you describe sounds like "backsticking".  It's fancy, but it doesn't record well. Wink

I agree with that...you get a better, clean and crisp sound using the stick in the standard way.  If you feel that you've got to whack your ride cymbal bell, you can always just reach further and hit more with the middle of the stick, that'll give you the power you're looking for.
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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2008, 01:41 AM »

I flip my right hand stick around with the butt end out sometimes to mplay on my ride bell only because it gives a nice heavy bell sound moreso than the other end, if I want that to be the sound that stands out.
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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2008, 05:32 PM »

I'm guessing you're talking about turning your stick the "wrong" way around - as in, using the butt-end to play with, rather than holding the stick at that end... if that's the case, then I guess a lot of drummers do it =)

However, if you're talking about holding your stick the way you usually hold it, but hit your drums/cymbals/any other percussion instrument you have with the butt-end regardless, then perhaps you should be checking out marching drummers on youtube Wink
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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2008, 10:24 AM »

I flip my right hand stick around with the butt end out sometimes to mplay on my ride bell only because it gives a nice heavy bell sound moreso than the other end, if I want that to be the sound that stands out.

See I get the same effect but with less effort just by reaching a little further and striking the bell with the shoulder of the stick or just below.

One thing I've seen drummers do is flip the stick around for cross-stick, but whenever I try, it just winds up sounding flimsy rather than fuller.
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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2008, 12:16 PM »

One thing I've seen drummers do is flip the stick around for cross-stick, but whenever I try, it just winds up sounding flimsy rather than fuller.
I use that tactic quite often. You've got to experiment with holding the stick with a light grip, across the middle of the snare, with the tip just a short distance from the other edge. In reality you've got to use a solid "clique" against the rim you're striking. Don't bury your palm against the stick or it will smother the strike. Too tight of a grip with the fingers can do the same thing. It takes feel, plus practice to get the sound you're after. I've done it so much doing country music I don't even think about it. I'll use the clique during a verse, then flip my stick over for a solid snare crack or woody driving rim shot sound during a lead. Then back to the country clique on the next verse. When done right you'll get a nice wood sound from the stick. My guess is that you're probably griping the stick too tight and choking the sound. Practice, practice, practice. Different sounds can be made by where your hitting the rim. It take's a feel and a light grip with the fingers. Too light of a grip could result in the stick doing a double bounce on the rim. The stick grip has got to be just right to work properly.... Hope I helped your quest.  Wink
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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2008, 05:56 PM »

. . .  One thing I've seen drummers do is flip the stick around for cross-stick, but whenever I try, it just winds up sounding flimsy rather than fuller.

As Chip said, it's a feel thing.  You may find that a heavier or lighter stick sounds better. You might need to choke up or choke back on it from where you usually grip.  Try different strike points on the rim - near a lug, between the lugs, directly over a lug.  Keep experimenting until you find a sweet spot you like.

BTW - I've NOT been able to get a good sound from the Zildjian Anti-Vibe model sticks.  The rubber (or "creamy Twinkie filling", or whatever they have inside them) seems to suck the tone from a cross-stick click.  YMMV.
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2008, 04:28 PM »

In my younger days i was a butt guy. I prefer playing tips now but i will use the fatso on some ballads.....sometimes.
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