http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/showthread.php?t=198912

I thought this was an interesting topic.  It's the first time I've heard opinion regarding cymbals from a non-drummer. 

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Yes, great post, thanks.   My favorite bass player that I've played with to date has said similar things and I've learn a lot from him.  I'll pass this on to a number of bass players and drummers I know to see what they think...

I asked the guys just last night how my dry heavy ride was sounding; I didn't like it and neither did they.  They also didn't like my poplar snare with the hi energy head  *but neither did I*

It's a work in progress.  In Elmer Fudd voice- "Weally want a 20" giant beat wide now"

Noted from pearl article: keep splash by hats, chinese (loudest cymbal) on far right.

I should probably move the bass player to the left of me by hats as well according to the article.

well,

if its a four on the floor house beat, i'm not gonna be just droaning quarter notes all night.  i'll be playing off it.  but i think alot of bassists like myself not only lock w/ the drummer, but also tend to play off of rhythmic ideas to give the track more bounce.  as for being behind the beat in following the kick, that does sound controversial.  but hey, you are "following" the kick!  haha...

still, i've been in many a situation where some drummers tend to be a little too creative or even inconsistent w/ their kick drum, where it becomes the bassist's job to lay down a steady rhythmic foundation.  then the hihat becomes tantamount for referencing time.

and while some jazz guys do prefer the ride side for the swinging feel to walk against, i actually still prefer the hihat side, cause again, too much of that "creativity" on the ride cymbal can sometimes make for a confusing "one".

but bottom line, alot of times, the only thing i'll have in my monitors is lead vox, hihat, and kick.  period.

all in all, jive who i know from another board was just trying to cover alot of ground for the inexperienced, and i too thought it was a great post!

I thought it was a good post. But the key word for everyone in the band is still, "Listen".  
It relates to everything you do. At least it does from my perspective.
Which to some bass players I've met isn't much.   

Hmm, sorry, I didn't think it was anywhere near as insightful as I was expecting.
The one comment that resonated was the one about volume. I talk about that a lot myself. My argument is more one of balance; don't thrash the cymbals and tickle the drums......lay off the cymbals.
I would never use a 'cutting' hi-hat or ride to suit the bass player. I use the cymbals that I think compliment the music to be performed.
I've worked with a very good bass player recently who liked to be near my hi-hat. I think he locked into the hi-hat and the bass drum. But anyway, I very much prefer a bass player who is located to the left of my hi-hat. It's the direction my head tends to slightly lean towards, therefore it's great if I can focus on the bass, in the context of main part of my kit.
Where I put my crashes is my business - sorry. 
And I don't ask other musicians if I'm using the right ride cymbal very often. I don't tell bass players which style strings to use, or which amp to buy. 
Having said that, I'm totally into collaboration. If I'm unsure about something I will always consult the musicians around me.....and take their comments very seriously.
I'm not about bullying other people on stage either. So, although I'm very much focussed on my own performance, I will note if my loudest crash is located 2 inches from the keyboardists ear and suggest they move away, or if they can't I wont wail on it all through the show.

I think in regards to the hi-hat thing, a lot of us will keep the hi-hat as a dead centre point of reference for where we percieve the pulse, where as kick and snare can move back/forward for feel.

However a good bassist should be listening to both, as Chris said. He should know where the centre of the pulse sits and be able to respond to where the kick/snare is sitting in relation to it.

Oh and Chris, in regards to telling a bassist what strings or amp to buy, in my band, I own my bassist's rig, so I certainly do get to pick the gauge of strings, amp, etc  Hehehe.

But seriously, in the bands I've been in that have been serious original projects, (or at least, projects we took seriously and never would have called a "Project") I've often gone to the drum shop with other band members, and gone to Kosmic (local store which stocks guitars/basses) with guitarists/bassists. It can be useful to know what other band members will think before you spend that cash!

There was some good info but no where near “insightful”



Me too, unless it was the bass player’s song we were working on and then I would listen to him explain how was expecting the song to sound.


I can see them better and I am accustomed to the bass sound from that side also.  I never thought about him locking in with the hi-hat.


Mine too except I ain’t sorry.


So, I agree with Chris on this deal! 

Great!
All back to mine for a BBQ. 

I think the problem lies with playing non-Paiste gear . Other brands are simply annoying .