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« on: March 05, 2008, 12:49 AM » |
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For the last 6-months, I've been doing most of my pad work with Vic Firth Scott Johnson sticks.
I can feel the results in my wrists and fingers. I noticed when I packed up my drums Friday night all of the heads (clear Super 2s) were pitted/dented. And last Sunday, I put a new Ambassador on my snare and I noticed it was pitted/dented too.......after 4 hours of playing.
I have a feeling I might have developed some bad technique using these sticks but I'm not sure.
Has this happened to anyone? Did you change your technique?
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2008, 04:48 AM » |
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Are you using the Scott Johnson sticks on the drum set?
I rarely pit heads, but usually it's a result of playing into the head, rather than letting the stick bounce back toward you. It's not the sticks, it's how you're using them. To some extent it can also be a function of the angle of attack at which you hit the heads. For instance, if the toms are angled steeply, and your strokes are coming from near perpendicular to the head, you're going to get pitting.
It's hard to diagnose technical issues without seeing someone play, so I can't offer any suggestions. Do you have a teacher in your area you could speak to? Someone known for top-notch technical knowledge?
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2008, 07:32 AM » |
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The Ambassador drum heads are single ply. If you're playing amplified rock music, that head is definitely going to dent after 4 hours of practice. If you like the open sound of the ambassadors, you might want to try a power dot in the center of the head, to give it more support. I use Super 2 heads, and they tend to dent when they are too lose. My floor tom is at it's lowest pitch, and that head is just about ready to be replaced. It sounds like your technique is improving with practice, and allowing you to play with more force. It's a good thing, just make sure that you are blending in with the guitars, and not drowning them out. You just might have to buy new heads more often  . One thing that you can try is to bring your toms up in pitch a step. A drumhead that rebounds well is less likely to get dented. You might find that they will cut through the music better, too.
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2008, 08:07 AM » |
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To some extent it can also be a function of the angle of attack at which you hit the heads. For instance, if the toms are angled steeply, and your strokes are coming from near perpendicular to the head, you're going to get pitting.
Simply put, your heads are too angled (flatten your drums!) and you aren't coming off the head fast enough. There are some players whom are great and dent heads. I remember having several lessons from Ray Luzier: he could not use ambassador heads cause he said he would literally "go thru them like tissue paper". This man can play very hard! To experience it first hand is amazing! Subsequently I played and play rock with single ply heads *started with ambassadors* and have graduated to aquarians. I think I get alot of sound from them but don't dent them (usually LOL but it happens sometimes) They never become "pitted" though. Pitting is just poor technique and set up in my opinion.
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2008, 08:30 AM » |
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The Ambassador drum heads are single ply. If you're playing amplified rock music, that head is definitely going to dent after 4 hours of practice. Not in my experience. I use single-ply heads for amplified rock music all the time. I have a set of Ambassadors on a kit right now that withstood 3-4 months of rehearsing and gigging with a rock act with no trouble -- UNTIL -- I allowed them to be used for kit share at a recent gig.
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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2008, 10:40 AM » |
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Well, it also depends on how hard you play...to each his own.
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2008, 11:36 AM » |
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I agree, to a point. And while I don't want this to turn into a pissing match about who breaks more/less drumheads, I do think that HOW you hit the drums is very important as well. I'm not going to second guess, for instance, Ray Luzier's technique. However, in my experience, more often than not guys who go through heads at a mile a minute aren't just hitting hard, they've got technical or set-up issues as well. I'm not saying that's it in your case, or in the thread starters case, just that the two often go hand in hand. My drumheads are evidence of that at the moment....
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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2008, 12:02 PM » |
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Are you using the Scott Johnson sticks on the drum set?
I rarely pit heads, but usually it's a result of playing into the head, rather than letting the stick bounce back toward you. It's not the sticks, it's how you're using them. To some extent it can also be a function of the angle of attack at which you hit the heads. For instance, if the toms are angled steeply, and your strokes are coming from near perpendicular to the head, you're going to get pitting.
It's hard to diagnose technical issues without seeing someone play, so I can't offer any suggestions. Do you have a teacher in your area you could speak to? Someone known for top-notch technical knowledge?
I've been using 5As on the set for the past 20+ years. I am studying with a teacher......see him about 2x a month. But I haven't been able to see him lately because of his schedule. I haven't messed with my tom angles for a long time so I'll see if that makes a difference. But now that I think about it.......my practice set has the same angles but different heads (EC2s) and no dents. It could be the thickness of the EC2s or it could also mean I don't play as hard when I'm practicing. Also, the snare drums on both sets have the same head, same angle but my gig snare drum has the pits. I'll have to be more conscience of my technique. Maybe not "force" the volume so much. I've been working on playing comfortably but with volume if that makes sense. I remember doing a recording session one time and the engineer told me to play harder than usual. I'm thinking to myself, "does he mean with more intensity/feeling or more volume. Why would he want more volume if the kit is mic'd?". cc
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2008, 01:39 PM » |
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Maybe when the intensity and adrenaline are high on live gigs, you're forcing things a little and changing your technique. It happens to me, I know. Some nights I'm just gripping a little harder than I would in the practice studio. I've also used 5As (or something very similar) for most things for a long time, but I've learned to use bigger sticks for the higher volume gigs I'm playing these days.
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2008, 02:04 PM » |
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I agree, to a point. And while I don't want this to turn into a pissing match about who breaks more/less drumheads, I do think that HOW you hit the drums is very important as well. . . . I prefer the term "urinary warfare", but I digress. I think the stick you use plays a part to some degree. I've noticed that when I use sticks with a rounded/roundish tip (i.e. Steve Gadd model, or Vic Firth 3A, or Peter Erskine original model), I tend to dent the heads more.
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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2008, 03:24 PM » |
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weird. I don't know man. I'd have to see you play. Your technique is probably ok it just kinda strikes me a bit strange. But if you are slammin' and that's your style then cool; you dent and pit heads  no big deal. I hate playing that hard tho' Turn up the mics, mons, turn down the amps, whatev. Lotsa bands play really loud, nothing strange about that. And there have been times when I have dented heads while recording. It's all good if it sounds good!
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