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« on: February 27, 2008, 06:25 PM » |
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Looking for comments on those who have used this head, and compared to G1's (coated uncoated) or even clear G2's, and if you agree where it's place is on Evans site sound chart.
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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2008, 06:47 PM » |
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I bought a set some years ago. I used them with an electric band, playing african flavored jazz, in a small venue.
I found them to have neither the bite, nor the warmth of a coated G1, let alone that of a G2.
I have not used them since.
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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2008, 07:19 PM » |
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Yes, I agree with where they are on the Evans chart. they are very open sounding. I'd describe them as lively, more lively than an Ambassador. I've tried them on snare drums and as a tom batter. I tend to prefer a different head though. I mostly use G2 coated for a rock sound. If I wanted a more traditional sound I guess I'd use G1 coated, although I haven't tried that head yet. The J1 sound is far from a G2 clear IMO. The G2 clear is bright, percussive and focused. It's very rock sounding.
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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2008, 08:26 PM » |
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I just this week got my jazz kit from Gretsch. It came with G1s however I'm switching all the heads to J1 etched. I am looking for a very traditional jazz sound.
I'll let you guys know how I feel once I've had the opportunity to spend some time with the J1's.
For my rock/fusion kit I use EC2's.....much different.
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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2008, 10:25 PM » |
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love' em... like fiberskyns without the low-mid thunk. nice, round tone.
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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2008, 10:38 PM » |
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I just this week got my jazz kit from Gretsch. It came with G1s however I'm switching all the heads to J1 etched. I am looking for a very traditional jazz sound.
I'll let you guys know how I feel once I've had the opportunity to spend some time with the J1's.
For my rock/fusion kit I use EC2's.....much different.
Hannah
Yes please post back. Thanks!! Are you going J1 on reso --I think that would be a really smooth sound.
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2008, 10:50 PM » |
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Yes, I agree with where they are on the Evans chart. they are very open sounding. I'd describe them as lively, more lively than an Ambassador. I've tried them on snare drums and as a tom batter. I tend to prefer a different head though. I mostly use G2 coated for a rock sound. If I wanted a more traditional sound I guess I'd use G1 coated, although I haven't tried that head yet. The J1 sound is far from a G2 clear IMO. The G2 clear is bright, percussive and focused. It's very rock sounding.
Thanks,Chris. Curious, why do you say G1 Coated for "traditional" instead of a J1 ecthed? I have plenty of experience w/ G1 coateds. And yes I'm curious about the J1 as a snare head as well. I agree about the bright aspect of G2's(what I currently am using). W/ diecast hoops on all my drums, I'm looking for warmth yet I do love tone and a resonant sound, and in the mix still works very well w/ rock, especially live.
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2008, 10:52 PM » |
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love' em... like fiberskyns without the low-mid thunk. nice, round tone.
Thanks TeReKeTe. I heard that comparison as well, though I have never played a fiberskyn.
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2008, 11:00 PM » |
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Thanks,Chris. Curious, why do you say G1 Coated for "traditional" instead of a J1 ecthed?
Just on a personal taste basis. The J1 is too lively for me, although I've chiefly used it on a single-ply N&C kit. But anyway, it doesn't feel like a warm head to me either. It's a great design and well executed, but there are other Evans heads I prefer.
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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2008, 11:29 PM » |
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Yes please post back. Thanks!! Are you going J1 on reso --I think that would be a really smooth sound.
Yes I'm going J1's on the reso too....
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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2008, 07:04 PM » |
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I tried one on my brass snare a few years back. Loved it for brushes - but not for stick work. It just didn't have the warmth that traditional coated head had. Sure wish it did though.  Jim
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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2008, 10:59 PM » |
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It just didn't have the warmth that traditional coated head had. Sure wish it did though.  That's what I "wish" too. I'm looking for warmth Evan's site says it has.
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« Reply #12 on: February 29, 2008, 12:46 AM » |
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Funny? It doesn't sound too warm to me, but I trust the Evans website. Best bet is to buy one head and try it before you splurge on a set.
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« Reply #13 on: February 29, 2008, 09:48 PM » |
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Funny? It doesn't sound too warm to me, but I trust the Evans website. Best bet is to buy one head and try it before you splurge on a set.
Yeah I'll get a 14" as test, because it will likely make a decent snare batter as well? Cavanman and Chris, I hear you guys, but wow(!) -- you do see how "warm" the Evans sound chart ranks the J1 w/ other heads. I mean it's in the top (eerr, bottom on the chart) of their warm rank. It sounds decently "warm" in this Erskine video, especially on his 14" floor tom, but like almost any single ply head it can get a little "metallic-y" sounding when tuned in the high range, like on his 10" and snare. http://www.tothestage.com/MediaDetail.PAGE?ActiveID=1142&query=peter%20erskine&MediaId=222
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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2008, 08:57 AM » |
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J1 Etched heads, I believe are a 10mil head thickness and I use them as resonant heads on my Gretsch toms. My batter heads are Evans EC1's which are 14mil. The EC2's are 2-ply equalling the same 14mil thickness as the single EC1. The reason I don't go with 2-ply heads on my toms is because I get a cleaner single stroke roll out of the toms with one ply. The 2 ply just flub and the bottom head cancels out the second stroke too much for my ears. Anyway, getting back to the J1's they are great for the resonant and I am thinking of trying one as my batter head for my snare as well. The sound great for brushes as well. If you use the J1 as tom batters, switch to a Resonant Tom for the underside as I think the G1's and Remo Ambassadors are both 10mil and that is the same thickness as your batter. Generally a thinner head underside will project better. Another thing to consider is the overall size of the heads between Evans and Remo. Remo has a larger collar area, so you have to ratchet the tuning more versus EVANS. Which is why Evans gives you a clearer tone right out of the box, it's a shorter collar. That's my opinion anyway.
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« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2008, 06:15 AM » |
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I'll be posting more on these heads when I get more time under my belt. Last night, I changed out the heads for these. Didn't have a head for my 12, though - for some odd reason, multiple mail order places are out of 12s.
But, I now have the J1s on the snare and a 14" tom. Early results last night were very pleasing. They feel and sound very good - especially on the snare. More when I log more time.
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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2008, 11:02 AM » |
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Well, I absolutely Love the heads. They were precisely what I was looking for - both in tone and feel.
Good bye EC2s. You're winners, too, but not for the tone and feel I now need/desire.
Long live J1s in production.
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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2008, 02:10 PM » |
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i've no opinion, as i haven't tried them. however, i'm curious...are you birdman the artist--from the other drum forum that shut down? if so, greetings from miko! 
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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2008, 04:19 PM » |
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I was getting some new heads today; i'm a kid, so i can't afford a whole spankin' lot. I chose EC2 clears because when i think of my rock style, i think EC2s. When i think my jazz style, i think J1 etcheds.
Anyone use them as reso heads? ^.^
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