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« on: March 16, 2008, 11:07 PM »

What's your favorite song ending? By that I mean what recorded song has an ending that you really like.

Is there a particular band and drummer with whom you typically enjoy how they end a tune or approach the song ending?

For me, it's all about the music and the song ... not chops or licks. However, I do understand that often times what we do live is very different than what we do in the studio. The energy and the vibe is different.
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2008, 11:49 PM »

I like the low-key endings -- which is why I like the end of Limelight by Rush.  Wink
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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2008, 12:36 AM »

Endings are a weird thing for me, usually I just wish the song wouldn't end, and yet somehow the next song would start.

But yes, quite often I love gentle endings. One of my favourite song endings is Tool's Parabola. Those last couple of notes are just as moving as the rest of the song, and hold some sort of immense subtle beauty that can't quite be identified.

Another was in a recording I recently worked on. An epic song called "The Fall of Rome" (very dramatic, as you can guess, this was a live concert, a 5 piece band consisting of the usual drums, bass, guitar, vox, plus solo violin and solo cello, and for this particular concert they also had a 12 piece string section in addition to the solo strings players, a choir, theramin, stage painters, costumes, actors, scripted stage cues, props, an opera singer in one song, it was AMAZING)

Anyway! The end of this song, after this epic 7 minute journey involving all of the above instruments at one point or another, it comes down to this quiet, subtle moment with just the string section and vocals....and then the violinist creeps in on back up vocals, and she has the most lovely voice, and they all sort of fade away together.



I have to listen to that song now!
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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2008, 12:59 AM »

do you mean the 'end of the song' on a recording or the usual loud, showy mess created by the drummer that signifies the song is over when performed live? Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2008, 02:32 AM »

do you mean the 'end of the song' on a recording or the usual loud, showy mess created by the drummer that signifies the song is over when performed live? Cheesy

I believe Zappa referred to the showy mess in his autobiography as Qualude Thunder.  Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2008, 03:32 AM »

I first make sure we practice together to get the same ending time after time. Then move to the studio. After all, you're going to be playing it live. Why not sound the same every time you do it. You're fans will be hearing you play it every time they listen to it. Or at least I've expected it to be played that way. Sometimes they'll go from one song to another in a live setting, but then things change. I listen for the ending, watch for a cue, and will end it. If something other than that happens it's usually not me causing the problem. But then, things happen and I'll look like an idiot.  Embarrassed
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2008, 06:45 AM »

Hmm?, i love a good ending. (Not drug out) just to the point, short and sweet. Right here right now without thinking about the many endings i like ill go with Deep Purples live smoke on the water ending. Every now and then when im in a flaked out mood ill go into that and the bass player will join in for a good laugh afterwards and the horn players are like....what?.
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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2008, 07:20 AM »

I believe Zappa referred to the showy mess in his autobiography as Qualude Thunder.  Smiley
And Louis Russell referrs to it as a controlled train wreck!   Grin
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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2008, 07:50 AM »

I do get tired off the big double BD and cymbal ending, but sometimes its nice.
I think a band doing it too much is a bit of a copout. I like a little creativity on the drummers part.
I also like with its a train wreck but then the band adds a little arranged hits. I like that RUSH even changed their endings a bit with the new hits or the number of hits and tempos. Its more interesting for the listener.

Also, along with this, I like songs that have nice bookends, (and girls with nice bookends...what does that mean, I digress). Songs that start and end with something that ties the song together artistically, but isn't always that obvious choice of rhythm and melody. For example, not ending with the same hits that you've been doing through every chorus, but changing it, putting some thought into it.

Well, to answer Bart's actual question, again I'll Rush for nice endings. I always like Chris Whipper Layton ending with SRV. Sometimes he would just hit the SD 3 times  slow and then end with the cymbals crash...I loved it!!!
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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2008, 12:20 PM »

Ah, song endings.  You gotta love the massive "around the horn" on the toms to end Limelight.  Of course, right before that you have three simple notes to end the already flamboyant YYZ... 

In recordings I (generally) hate fades.  I like more "closure".  Live, well a big ending once in awhile is nice!  Just don't over do it.  Some "rock concert" song endings are just ridiculous.  I'll have to dig deep into the old memory banks to come up with a few recordings that I like...

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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2008, 06:17 PM »

We usually try to construct a "proper" ending for covers we do where the original fades rather than just have a variable-length thrash. And I agree with the idea of "bookends" - for example, we just recorded a demo with a cover of "Stop Dragging My Heart Around" where the obvious ending of a reiteration of the introduction works really well.

That said, when you're in last song/encore-land the VLT can be a crowd-pleaser.
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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2008, 09:07 PM »

Sometimes, if we're playing for a small crowd, we like to end a song on a V chord - and never resolve it.

This is especially fun if it's the last song of the night.  Grin
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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2008, 09:54 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2008, 10:14 PM »

You're a cruel cruel man.

Exactly!  Not resolving a chord like that is
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2008, 12:07 AM »

How about the ending to We're an American Band by Grand Funk.

I like endings that tie in with the song in some way. Since I now spend most of my musical career in a cover band featuring a horn section, I like to hear a little more structure when it comes to ending a tune. I get tired of doing the old "Crash & Burn" all the time since that basically seems to be the cattle call for the horn players to try and hit the highest note possible with their eye's closed, which means they never see me signal the end. Nothing worse than hearing a trumpet player blowing his brains out after the rest of the band has ended.

Since someone mentioned RUSH, one of my favorite endings is Xanadu.
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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2008, 03:14 PM »

I second the Rush comments.

Josh Freese popped into my head for some reason, and I've been listening to the first A Perfect Circle cd, Mer De Noms.  He has a great way of re-stating the theme of the groove, and embellishing upon it, before ending the song. 

Tool has some great endings.  Those syncopated hits at the end of 46 and 2 are just awesome.  Quaalude Thunder indeed!

I think a great ending stays true to the spirit of the song.  If the emotional climax of the song was in the bridge, the ending will probably be something low-key and a little drawn out.  If the whole song is building up to that final chorus, then the ending should support that. 
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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2008, 09:28 AM »

I have alway's like Bonhams Rockn' Roll ending and most of mine are a short version of that but it really depends on the song. I have pulled that off in church.  My boss at work asked me when I first started playing for my church, "what are you going to do when you feel a place to put a Bonham roll"? I told him that if I feel it will work there you will still hear it. I am not going to change my style of drumming.  I play by feel.
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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2008, 06:41 PM »

 
I don't like when a song fades out without ending, and I don't like long ending fills either.
E.g. Sabbath's Paranoid ends the way I like, or maybe the relatively short fill in Zep's Rock'n'Roll.
But actually, as for my taste, I like how Beethoven or Haydn or anybody finishes a symphony, and I think that fits rock music, too.
 
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« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2008, 12:47 AM »

I love lots of different styles of endings from the William Tell Overture type that just go on going to some of the fades.  Chick Corea Electrik Band's wild endings that are super amazingly complex and tight to The Who's Live at Leads Summertime Blues.  There are so many that are done well.  I guess I like em if they are well thought out, an Allison Kraus ballad, a even some training wreck endings..   Some endings that stick out in my memory are...

Won't Get Fooled Again, The Who
Heart of the Sunrise, Yes
Birdland, Weather Report (that's a great fade, just making you want to buy the ticket for the show)
Kicker, Chick Corea (letting the drums take that song out is great)
Spain & Morning Sprite, Chick Corea on the Akoustic Band album
25 or 6 to 4, Chicago (slow, slower, .....)
Deserted Cities of the Hear, Cream (another slow down ending)
Blue Rondo A La Turk, Dave Bruebeck
One, Neal More (pick almost any of the songs - it's one big concept album anyway)
.. Oh man, there are so many and I don't have time....





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« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2008, 01:37 AM »

One of my favorites is Gadd's outro on 50 Ways To Leave Your Lover.  He just kind of "marches" off into the distance.  Such a cool groove!
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« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2008, 03:22 PM »

I love to PLAY the Limelight-esque "rally" ending (duh),  but I love to LISTEN to songs that end either with a "stinger" (Strutter by Kiss) or with nothing at all.   I really enjoy when a song just stops and sort of yanks the carpet out from under ya.  The Ramones (Commando, Rockaway Beach, Swallow my Pride) did this all the ti


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