Great video, Bart. I gotta start watching more of those!

I'm going to give this (trading hi hat and tom positions) a try, since 99.9999999% of my playing in my current band involves snare, kick and hi hat. I'm still a little concerned about going around the toms but I'm still going to give it a shot.

Just ordered one of these:



I'll let everyone know how it goes. See you on the other side....

The Remote Cable HiHat sure comes in handy when trying to deal with a Double Kick Pedal. You can always place the HiHat's pedal right where you need it, no matter how uncooperative your Double Kick Pedal may be.

When I'm using a standard HiHat stand, my DW Double Pedal was able to be placed on either side of the HiHat pedal. It sometimes took some doing to get it just right ... feel wise that is. If you have a HiHat stand that swivels, it sure is a lot easier to adjust it all.

  I am sure many of you have checked out Bart's video by now. On "my" never ending quest for being comfortable and " economy of motion - like", I actually gave up using my 8 and 10 inch tom on the left, moved the hat and took the 12 and 13 off the mount on the kick and moved them to the double tom stand (from 8 and 10) and placed them to the right of the kick. Got the hat where it feels good now and also moved my ride right in front of the snare  at 12 o'clock to the left of the kick.

  One other thing that was a revelation for me and some may want to revisit the video, the angle of Bart's snare. Not really the "angle" but the direction of the slope. I have always had mine sloping downwards TOWARDS me. Bart shows his sloping AWAY towards the "front". At rehearsal yesterday I rearranged mine and minimally corrected the height. What it affords me to do is maintain the height I like but now allows my legs not to graze the underside of the snare.

  Sure I could have corrected the "contact" in many other ways. But the fact that the bottom edge closet to me is now "higher" allowed me to basically keep everything else with regards to the snare the same. My distance behind it, the angle of legs and my height above it namely.

  Little things mean alot....

I'd like to know as well. I was going to order it, but I had some financial issues (hello...April 15th) to take care of and had to put it off.

It would seem like the perfect compromise for someone like me who wants to try this new hi-hat position, but isn't quite ready for a remote setup just yet. Sure would like to read a review of it from someone here before buying it.

What I HAVE done is to move my hi-hat as far right as it can go. Even to the point of my hi-hat pedal being to the RIGHT of my double bass pedal. Makes the double pedal harder to play because it's wrapped around the hi-hat pedal now, but I only play it on 3 or 4 songs, so no big deal.

Just having the hi-hat in this new position has really wetted my appetite to see what it's like to go all the way - and have the hi-hat at 12 o'clock.

Ryan, thanks for that review.  In your experience, does the Gibraltar hi-hat allow for 12:00 positioning of the hi-hats?  I'm only going by pictures... never seen one in person.   

Here's how I normally have it.  The Hot Rods are pointed in the 12 o'clock position.  I have the assembly from the hi-hat stand pointed in roughly a 45 degree angle up and to the right and it runs pretty much parallel to the floor.

This is with the assembly pointing straight to the right (3 o'clock) but still parallel to the floor.  I had to move the pedals together a little bit more and I moved the snare closer to my bass pedal.  Unfortunately, the Hot Rods aren't quite in the 12 o'clock position in this picture.  I must have rotated the snare slightly and didn't realize it.  This is about as far over as it conveniently can come.  And note you can't really change the height very much.  If you do, you lose some of the reach.

I don't really want it this far over, it fits pretty well in its normal spot and lets me put the tom and ride in convenient places as well.

Yes, thanks a LOT for the review and especially the pics, Ryan. That helps a lot.

Many thanks to Bart for the video.

I play double bass, and curently I use the 9:00 position, with my hats quite high to make more space for the left hand, and I put а splash to the 12:00 position (between the HH and the first mounted tom). I don't really feel uncomfortable or like I have not enough space for the left hand; however, when I want to play open-handed, my left elbow goes way backwards into some unnatural position.

Pictures are here and here (sorry, you can't see pedals there, so I tell you - the slave BD pedal is to the right of the HH pedal).

I was considering trying the Gibraltar thing, but as far as it is actually a cable-driven HH on a stand, now I consider buying a "normal" remote HH which I'll put on a stand more to 11:00, while my splashes will go more to 9:00 (thanks Bart, you are right - I use HH more often than splashes )

Yep. Personally I prefer not to go too astray from traditional setup, because mainly I play at gigs with other bands (using the same rented kit), so I would like to have minimum deviations to shorten the time I need to prepare after previous band.

This is why I'll definitely won't go Danny Carey HH things - just because this will mess up the mic setup at any gig (at least I won't try it before I become a world rock star )

However, experiments with 6 or 10 inch displacement of HH from its traditional place is something really worth trying, and I really appreciate you gave me a kick to think about it , because before I did not think it can really make difference that much.

I play a double bass pedal kit. Last week I tried to move my HH around to a more central location... and ITS HARD with a double pedal. Any suggestions (other than buying non-traditional HH stands)?
I find if i put my slave pedal to the left of the HH, its squishes the HH way too close to the snare and if I put the HH kind of back at like 11, the pedal is hard to get to comfortably.