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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2008, 05:07 PM »

Perhaps you are right. I guess the only way we would know for certain is to ask him what he fully meant by his statement.

Yeah, I don't know. He's said it several times in several different contexts. I've never gotten off my duff to get ahold of him and ask... Wink
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« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2008, 12:40 PM »

Great posts - and great topic and all this talk of dynamic awareness applies to a lot more than just jazz playing IMO.

Bart's whole empahsis on listening I can't agree with more - there is a real tendancy to fall into "I'm hitting the drum and that's what it sounds like - so else can I do?". So beyond just "playing accents" or "feathering", I think one needs to have the broadest range of dynamic control available to oneself as can be mustered. Then really listen to the blend of the players around you - Am I too loud? Am I to soft? More bass drum? Less bass drum? - really listen and then really tweak the mix. If the bass drum is sounding like a big pig, ease off a bit from where you would normally play. Conversely, if it's not speaking right, you might have to dig in a bit more.  I'm constantly adjusting the balance between the various parts of the drum set to work better for moment that I'm in "right now".

And while the "right drum" tuned the "right way" can make this easier - rooms vary constantly and all over the place, so you still have to tweak alot even with all the right stuff. Me? I'm from the school of thought that says it's a good idea to be able to play bebop on ANY kit and rock on ANY kit - you just have to adjust your playing (mainly dynamics) to make each work the best you can.

As for the beater thing - I use a hard plastic beater 99.9% of the time and can play "brushes with feathering soft" - I just like the articulation I get from the hard beater. Impact pads are a whole other matter - it is very hard to play soft and still get the bass drum to "speak" with an impact pad... at least for me.  They just seem to force the drum into a mf or louder mode.

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« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2008, 01:44 PM »

mf = mezzo forte   Grin
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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2008, 03:00 PM »

I wouldn't make a decision to "feather or not feather." Sometimes it adds a subtle drive that feels great and sometimes it is inappropriate. Let the song, section or even soloist decide.

If the tune is being played sparse and free in a small combo you probably just want the bass drum as another voice to add in here and there. On the other hand, adding a light feather right after a two measure break leading into a driving solo feels great on the right tune.

As Bart mentioned, let your ears decide  Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2008, 04:19 PM »

I'm from the school of thought that says it's a good idea to be able to play bebop on ANY kit and rock on ANY kit - you just have to adjust your playing (mainly dynamics) to make each work the best you can.
I have to totally agree. Key word is still listen, and dynamics should be the result of what you heard compared to what you play. No matter what drums you're on or heads you have. It's still up to YOU, as you're the guy playing the music. Everything else just helps your quality of playing "in the moment." More than once I've heard good players make junk sound good. They made good gear sound even better.  Grin
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« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2008, 10:13 PM »

+1 on the listening, and though I agree with DC, et al that you 'should' be able to 'do it on whatever kit', I've found that an old-skool rig helps me IMITATE the records I've been listening to and studying. My 2-headed 20" w/felt strips, tuned high, tells me more accurately when I'm getting the hang of what I've heard on record. It has helped me to 'get into the heads' of the guys on the records.

And now I better understand what the cats were doing, and also the evolution of that sound into the 'modern' sound and adaptation of the previous ideas.

But since I'm playing 99% old/dead music from particular eras, I like to play the old-skool rig.


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« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2008, 06:52 PM »

I like to use acrylic beaters and Aquarian kick pads on my bass drums no matter what genre I'm playing.  In small group or big band I lay off the bass drum the majority of the time, so that the drum becomes almost another tom, used mainly for accents.  Even then, it's often better to accent with the snare drum than the kick, and learning the differerence takes some time.

My big band leader hates a four on the floor bass drum, and we've had discussions recently on how I play that drum and what he wants.  We're not strictly a  swing band, but more of a jazz big band.  If playing quarter notes I'll definitely be feathering as softly as possible, and the hard beaters and kick pad don't get in the way of that.  It's also something I do only very rarely, and almost never with brushes.

Let the bass player carry the bottom, and only add reinforcement when it's necessary.  For example, my leader once requested that I drop in a kick on the first measure of a phrase in some songs to help delineate the phrasing and orient the band.  Again, not something you want to do all the time, but an occasionally useful technique.

As has been said so succinctly above, listen.  The music will tell you what to do.
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