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« on: March 31, 2008, 10:52 PM »

I sold my (cheap) mic kit so that I can migrate towards better quality stuff.  I've got an AKG D112 so far, and borrowed an SM57 for the snare.

I need a pair of overheads to complete the temporary picture.  What's good and fairly inexpensive?

The guy at GC told me to get some Sterling Audio ST31's.  He explained their history, etc.  I went home to do some research on them, to find quite diversly mixed reviews.  Excellent, mediocre, total garbage, the whole deal.  Needless to say, I'm not sure about these. 

I also heard about the Shure SM81, which also costs $350 each...

Is there anything good in the $50-$75 range that isnt total junk?  I used to think Samson was decent, until the guy at GC said that they were right down there with Behringer... I thought the Samson C0-2 pair looked decent for $120. 

But as it seems, what do I know?

Help me out guys...
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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2008, 02:28 AM »

At church we use the Audix F-15's, which came with a package of drum mics. I'm not entirely sure, but judging from the mics that we have on the drumkit, I think it's the 7-piece Audix Fusion kit with the 3 F-10's, 1 F-12, an F-14, and 2 F-15's.

Anyway, I'm sure these mics will work fine. Sorry if this is a stupid question, but are you going to be using these mics for live work (like I would at my church, for example), for home or studio recording, or for both? I've heard these mics in use at my church, and for what we do, they work great. I've heard them out in the audience several times, and while I don't remember ever hearing a demo of ONLY those mics, they work fine. So I'm sure that if you use them live, they'll do alright.

Recording I think they'd be good, but since I have no experience with them in that field, I can't really make an accurate comment.

The F-15 mics aren't in the $50-$75 range, but they certainly aren't anywhere near $350. They're just a little over $100 each. Try checking them out for yourself.

Good luck! Smiley

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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2008, 06:11 AM »

The Audix are probably fine.
These have quite a good rep:
http://www.mercenaryaudio.com/sto2microphone.html
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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2008, 09:10 AM »

Thanks for the resonses guys.  To be quite truthful, I'll be doing both live and studio.  I'm going to look into the Audix right now. 
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« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2008, 10:28 AM »

I hope the Audix's are good.  I bought a pair on ebay. 

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« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2008, 10:54 AM »

Honestly, don't fret. Microphone choice at this level wont make much difference, the big differences will be in the source and as you gain experience with the whole sound thing. (live or studio).

As long as it's the right type of microphone for the job you want (which it is) and isn't ridiculously noisey you'll be fine.
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« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2008, 11:08 AM »

I have a pair of SM81's....Not cheap, but they're very good mics.  Wink
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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2008, 01:20 PM »

Anyone have experience with the Audix i5 snare mic?  It's comparable to an SM57 but has more tone in the lower frequency range.  I'm told it will help deliver a fatter snare sound, and I'm thinking about picking one up. 

Any comments about the i5?
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« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2008, 02:13 PM »

Anyone have experience with the Audix i5 snare mic?  It's comparable to an SM57 but has more tone in the lower frequency range.  I'm told it will help deliver a fatter snare sound, and I'm thinking about picking one up. 

Any comments about the i5?

I don't have any experience with the i5, but if you're going to have one snare mic, it is hard to argue with the SM57. If for no other reason, that in 99% of situations, it is the first choice snare drum mic of live and studio engineers - even those with mic closets worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. Even guys like Allen Sides - who puts C12A's (at about $2000 each on the toms) - puts a 57 on the batter of the snare.

With a mic that is the standard of the industry costing only $100 - I figure why not go for the best?

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« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2008, 02:15 PM »

i like the i5 alot more than i like a 57 in pretty much all applications.  smoother response without that gigantic 15khz hump.  basically it's a better mousetrap.

there's very little difference in inexpensive mics.  for cheap OH's, i like the MXL604's-- they include a pad a a low roll-off, both of which can be useful--  especially the pad for OH's.  moving up the scale you can get a pair of decent rode's for aorund $400, and from then on up you've oot josephsons, neumann, mojave, dfa..

also take a peak at the cheap audio-technica mic's, as well as the original oktava mc012's that are on sale on the web.  not dirt cheap but solid recording tools, for sure.

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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2008, 02:33 PM »

I just purchased a set of C02's myself. I haven't had a chance to put them through their paces. They seem quiet enough and should serve their purposes nicely for ~100 a pair.

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« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2008, 05:17 PM »

I agree with David about the 57. It's an industry standard.
On the other hand, I've read a lot of comments on audio forums by people who prefer the i5. I plan to try it myself soon. It's a very cheap mic IMHO.
If you can afford to have both, do so. If you must choose, the only one I can recommend right now is the 57.
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« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2008, 06:52 PM »

A big part of the quality of recording and live sound is going to come from the preamps you use, and to some small degree, the cables as well.  It's very unlikely to find a good-to-great preamp under about $250 per channel (new).  The RNP by FMR gets a lot of good reviews, but it's only 2 channels and it's about $500 new.  Most everything below that is going be in the budget range and won't give your mics their fullest capability, but you can still get a decent sound.
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« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2008, 07:11 PM »


Cool. Let us know what you think of them when they get here. Smiley

And about the SM57, I think that mic will work on almost any instrument at close range,  right? I kinda found out the hard way that dynamics aren't very good for overhead microphones or for distant applications. The last week at my church before we moved out to the facility, I was running sound, and I put an SM57 up for the overhead. Since we used a large gym with pretty much no padding inside (except for the people and a few rare padded surfaces), and the band didn't want to put up the large absorption pads that go behind and in front of a drum set when a sound screen is set up, the sound echoed a lot. The drums were a bit overwhelming, so me and another sound man turned the overhead all the way down, and it made absolutely NO difference. I guess you can say I learned my lesson that day. Cool
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« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2008, 09:57 PM »

I wouldn't blame the mic though.
It sounds like the kind of room and set up that's very unkind to drums.
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« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2008, 10:13 PM »

I agree with David about the 57. It's an industry standard.

I agree also, I'm familiar with this mic.

It's a very cheap mic IMHO.

That sounds pretty negative, and maybe you didn't mean it so, but could you elaborate?  From the way I understood it, (and how it was explained to me) is that the i5 is supposed to be an equal to the 57, however it has better low end response.  Now, I haven't tried it, and at the moment, have a 57 on my snare...but from looking at the frequency charts of both, the i5 does look good. 

It's priced exactly the same as the sm57, so were you referring to general quality?
I'm not trying to pick a fight, I just want to understand correctly what you meant.
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« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2008, 10:52 PM »

I wouldn't blame the mic though.
It sounds like the kind of room and set up that's very unkind to drums.

I know. Gymnasiums have a lot of reverberations even when filled to capacity with people, and since drums resonate a lot on their own, it would seem that indoor gyms are the drums' natural acoustic enemy or something. Smiley

I also blamed the mic because I've had many people who know very well what they're talking about tell me that condenser mics are much better for overheads and distant micing than dynamics are.
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« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2008, 12:10 AM »

That sounds pretty negative

In English english (not American english) 'cheap' means something doesn't cost very much.

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It's priced exactly the same as the sm57

Exactly, so I plan to own both, unless I find I really don't like the i5.
If you can afford two reasonably cheap mics, you'll be able to put off the either/or decision too.
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« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2008, 09:07 AM »

I also blamed the mic because I've had many people who know very well what they're talking about tell me that condenser mics are much better for overheads and distant micing than dynamics are. 

I think the reason condenser mics are prefered for OH applications is that they are very sensitive and have an excellent upper-end range (great for cymbals).  Its nice to know why instead of having an opinion based upon what other people say.


btw, I've got both i5 and sm57 mics and have A/B'd them for drum and vocal applications.  To my ear they are very close.
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« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2008, 10:58 AM »

btw, I've got both i5 and sm57 mics and have A/B'd them for drum and vocal applications.  To my ear they are very close.

Would you say that the 'advertised more low end' of the i5 to be noticeable?  That is what is said to be different from the 57, is the added low end of the i5.  The whole deal being to give a fatter snare sound than a 57.  Would you say it does that, or too hard to tell?
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