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Author Topic: Lightening rods- Rock rakes, all things brushes..  (Read 696 times)
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« on: April 18, 2008, 08:52 PM »

Ive got a gig coming up where ill need some brushes that can take a little heat. I just got back from rehearsal and shattered the housing on a pair of the Pro-Mark nylon brushes that sounded great! (for awhile). Believe me, i wasnt playing THAT hard? where i thought these would disintegrate. Its the white bristle nylon brush. Does Pro-Mark make these with a metal sleeve for added stability for some rougher country train beat feels?. Ive got my heart set on this particular brush as they sound perfect for what i wanted but had to go to the Pro-Mark metal bristle brush (for now). Any brush experts around?. Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2008, 09:02 PM »

Not an expert, but I've depended on 'hot rods' for many years.

Vic Firth has some interesting brush/rod hybrids I've noticed.

Haven't tried them yet though (I will).
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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2008, 09:27 PM »

Not an expert, but I've depended on 'hot rods' for many years.

Vic Firth has some interesting brush/rod hybrids I've noticed.

Haven't tried them yet though (I will).
Are hot rods the heavier version of lightening rods?. Did you ever use them with Dire Straits? as i know Mark can write alot of tunes with a country train beat feel and in that situation youd need something that would go the distance i imagine. I just loved! the sound of these Pro-Mark white nylon bristles. They gave a fat warm full sound opposed to the brighter attack of the metal bristle brush i went to after the shatter incident.
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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2008, 10:45 PM »

A bit obscure, but I've had outstanding results with THIS company and their brush/rod products.  Very durable and they sound great.     
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2008, 10:59 PM »

Are hot rods the heavier version of lightening rods?.

I'm not up to speed on all the different variations that are out there by different companies.
Correction: I should have said 'Blasticks' are my favourite.

They have a thick, soft plastic handle (or grip), or wood, and the 'brush' consists of a large amount of plastic strands. I find they are much softer than sticks, but give you a larger than life brush sound. NOT suitable for jazzy brushing, with sweeps etc, but perfect for the 'train beat' as you suggest.

I can't remember using them with Dire straits, but I've used them on countless sessions where a rolling type rhythm was needed, or where a pseudo rock beat was required, but not as hard sounding as one played with sticks.

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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2008, 11:30 PM »

May be worth checking out some of the Vater products, potentially the Monster Brush (I think that's what it is... blue nylon monstrosity) or... the whip stick I think? (Looks very much like the Flix sticks above)

On rods -- the various pro mark and vater models are nice. I would steer clear of the Steve Smith rods from Vic Firth. I've had no end of trouble with a few pairs of those. Basically, the rods and core separate from the base plug and work their way out of the rubber housing. So you get the fun of deciding if you want to drop a backbeat or something else so you can cram the rods back down quickly. Repeat ad infinitum until you throw them away in disgust.
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2008, 09:33 AM »

Ditto on the Steve Smith rods.  I had high hopes for those, but the foam core broke fairly quickly.  They feel really nice in the hands, though, and they have a natural feeling rebound.

I have a pair of Vater Acousticks that have lasted for years.  They aren't the best feeling rods, they feel a little front-heavy.  They sound...okay...not quite as nice as the Vic Firth rods, but the durability makes up for that.

Someone had a post about making your own rods...maybe I can dig that up.
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2008, 09:36 AM »

Looks like it was lost when the DC jumped servers.  I found the posts referencing the "DIY Rods" thread, but the link is dead.

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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2008, 12:14 PM »

Thanks for all the help and thoughts you crazy's, and the Flix link was informative Dr. felix, i appreciate that. Its cool that all you guys that hit things for the fun of it  had various experiences with the sweepy things fer o'l uncle Paicey Cool.
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2008, 04:14 PM »

I play with a country-blues songwriter that uses the train beat almost exclusively. His favorite thing for me to use is the Pro-Mark Broomsticks. They have a fatter sound than any brush or rod I've played with.

They stand up pretty well for me (you will lose a few strands of straw after each gig but mine have lasted quite a while).

You could also VERY easily make your own... just some straw and shrink wrap (or even duct tape).

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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2008, 06:15 AM »

... It's the white bristle nylon brush.
Someone might find this useful.  I tape the bristles on a pair of VF Rute 505 about an inch from the end to give me a brighter alternative to Hot Rods with good durability.  I use blue painter's tape because it leaves little or no residue on the bristles when removed.   It is not real strong so I use several layers.  Just keep the shoulders and the tips "naked" nylon.  Not sure who came up with this, but I like it when I need something a little different.
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2008, 09:50 AM »

Ive also just discovered that putting 3 or 4 sheets of tablet paper on top of the snare while brushing gives me a fuller fatter sound. Thanks for all the help boys Smiley.
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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2008, 09:55 AM »

Looks like it was lost when the DC jumped servers.  I found the posts referencing the "DIY Rods" thread, but the link is dead.



I actually made my own rods at some point; bought some dowels (you can choose the number and size to suit you), cut them to length, rounded one end (the batter end), and used medical tape around the base to hold it all together, and a strip around the middle to give the spread that I wanted.

They were super cheap to make, just as good as commercial ones, and as far as I'm concerned more customizable.

DIY!!!!
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