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« on: April 20, 2008, 11:54 PM »

Hi All,

I'm looking at upgrading my kit and am starting with the most essential ingredient - the snare drum. 14 x 5.5. I have narrowed it down to the following three and was looking for advice on how others have found these drums:

Craviotto maple shell
Noble and Cooley SS maple
Brady

I am in Australia - the only drum I have not physically tried is the N&C. They don't distribute here Huh. I I have listened to the samples on line and had correspondence with Nick and N&C.

Any feedback at all is highly valued. This drum is going to be a keeper Smiley

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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2008, 04:47 AM »

Craviotto and N&C are equally good.
You wont hear a big difference in the sound.
Brady have a different sound, especially as they use local woods such as Jarrah.
They are all good choices.
I would advise that a maple drum will be more flexible and versatile than a Jarrah (or similar native wood).
It depends on the sound you are after and your budget.
I would suggest trying a Brady and a Craviotto and take it from there.
Again, all three companies make very good snare drums.

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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2008, 05:05 AM »

Cheers Chris. The Brady was Jarrah and has a distinctly different tone to the Crav.
The Craviotto is a 2nd hand drum from 2004. I don't have a problem with this, I am confident in the integrity of the source. Is there anything I should be taking particular notice of as far as the integrity of the Hoops, snarethrow off, lugs etc?

I think it looks fairly good, just want to be sure before I dish out the dollars Tongue


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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2008, 09:23 AM »

I've been playing a 6x14 DW snare with maple Craviotto shell for the last several years that I found on ebay.  It took me a little time to dial it in (snare drums often give me fits), but it rapidly became my goto snare drum.  I play rock, country, and big band and small group jazz, and it has never let me down.  The drum is crisp and sensitive at low volumes, and rim shots will cut right through loud guitar amps or large horn sections.  I did replace the DW drop down strainer with a Trick, and put Puresound snares on the bottom.

I have no experience with the N&C or Brady snares, but would not hesitate to buy another Craviotto, and feel no need to add to my meager collection.
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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2008, 11:58 AM »

+1 for another vote for the noble and cooley SS.

I like craviottos also, but if I had my choice, N&C

Really like the Phattie stave snare drums also.
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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2008, 03:36 PM »

I purchased a Craviotto 5.5x14 birdseye maple snare when he first started making them. Matter of fact it's #33 of the run. I was so happy with the sound I went back and bought a 6x14 Cherry snare to go with a Mapex Cherry set I have. I have a number of snares to pick from, but those two are both "go to" snare drums. Nice woody sound with an "awesome" factor.  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2008, 03:38 PM »

I'm a big, big fan of Craviotto.
I wouldn't hesitate to buy one second hand.
The only thing to look out for (off the top of my head) would be the snare mechanism.
If it's a Nickel, you'll probably have to change it. You might want to factor that into the price you pay.
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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2008, 09:17 PM »

I'm a big, big fan of Craviotto.
I wouldn't hesitate to buy one second hand.
The only thing to look out for (off the top of my head) would be the snare mechanism.
If it's a Nickel, you'll probably have to change it. You might want to factor that into the price you pay.

Last few Cravs I've seen (mine included) use the Trick throw, and I've seen a couple Unlimiteds with the Dunnett R -- haven't seen any with Nickel lately, so fortunately that may be a non-issue.

That being said: Add another vote to the Craviotto pile -- they are great. However, I haven't heard the N&C you mention.
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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2008, 09:35 PM »

I have a 6.5 x 13 Crav and a 7 x 14 N&C.  The N&C is a little more versatile for me but only by a little.  The cross-sticks sound better on the N&C. 

BUT..........

For the funk and rock stuff, I always go with the Crav. 

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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2008, 10:54 PM »

haven't seen any with Nickel lately, so fortunately that may be a non-issue.

All my Crav's now have the Trick. Dan mentioned a second hand drum from 2004, which is why I brought up the Nickel issue.

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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2008, 05:16 AM »

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Chris this quote is great "All my Crav's". All, being plural, I had to show the Mrs that it is healthy and common for we drummers to have more than a few high quality pieces of snare ware Wink

I am still pondering this one - I have again tried the Crav and the Brady. Definitley the Crav is more suited to my ear and what I play. Looks like my heart will win out over my head and wallet yet again.

Thanks for all your advice and wisdom guys Smiley

I'll let you know when I have brought home the goods!
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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2008, 05:54 AM »

Is the 2004 Craviotto more expensive than the Brady?
Is the Brady also used?

All things being equal, I would honestly go for the Craviotto, unless you came across a used N&C to try too.

I have 4 x Craviotto snares, probably 2 too many. But I do make a living from my drum sounds..............
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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2008, 06:05 AM »

The Crav is cheaper than the Brady, though to be honest the sound was the key thing for me. What tone, simply amazing. No nickel by the way on the throw off.

Unfortunately I haven't seen any N&C. It's a bit hard to come by over here / down here. Do you endore them? Maybe a gentle hint to them that there is a market in AUS. Maybe I should open a drum shop in Melbourne and give up the day job....

My lustful need for more drums has led me to purchase the Crav

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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2008, 06:09 AM »

Cool.  Great snare drums.

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« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2008, 09:30 AM »

Although my Craviotto is 14x6.5 its the maple version.  Everytime I play it Im blown away by the sound and performance.  Its a very flexible/versatile drum.

I almost bought another one on Ebay, it was the same as I have yet had the inlay.  It sold for $550-
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« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2008, 04:00 PM »

I think you did the right thing, especially as the Brady was more expensive.
As an Aussie, maybe a Brady is in your sights down the track.

I do endorse N&C (sort of loosely).
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« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2008, 07:35 PM »

All my Crav's now have the Trick. Dan mentioned a second hand drum from 2004, which is why I brought up the Nickel issue.

Fair enough, I completely missed that point.

Congrats to the OP on picking up the Craviotto. You're at the edge of a sickeningly expensive and dangerous addiction. Wink Or, if you're lucky, it'll be THE drum for you and you're done. Mine really does a lot for me and I'm really satisifed with it... and on the limited project recording I've done in the last few weeks, sounds absolutely stellar.
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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2008, 04:40 PM »

I put 42 strand Puresound wires on my maple Craviotto. When I nail rimshots people stop dancing and just look.  Grin
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« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2008, 01:22 PM »

Reading all your messages and the passion about playing drums in general and  snares in particular  certainly has an effect on me ...

I just couldn't resist and bought a brand new never used 2nd hand white marine pearl craviottto 7x14 solid ply maple snare. The guy I bought it from won it at the 2007 The Amsterdam Vintage & Custom Drum Show (http://www.amsterdamdrumshow.com/2007/images/17.jpg). It was a small fortune and I must be out of my mind spending this amount (550 Euros * 1.5 = $$$) considering the fact that I am a beginner and that I will never be able to use it to the max but boy ... it is gorgeous.

 
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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2008, 01:26 PM »

Smart move Lou!  A snare drum like that is the perfect vehicle for expression.  You deserve it and the places it will be able to take you.

You live in/near Amsterdam?  OMG- I want to retire there... seriously!
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