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« on: March 19, 2002, 06:46 AM » |
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Two questions: 1) What is the commonly accepted name for the technique described below. 2) Does anyone have any advice about how to do this or how the drums should be set up to facilitate it? Are there any good description/lessons available on-line?
What I'm calling "cross-sticking" is crossing one hand over the other while playing. For example, if t=tom, f=floor tom and s=snare, and the triplet pattern "tsf tsf" is played "rlr lrl", I end up with with a mess.
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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2002, 09:53 AM » |
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That's what I call it.
It's really kinda easy- I'm sure you could make it as difficult as you wanted too.
Since I play a five piece I'll cross over on the 12 and 13 make it to the floor tom and cross (which really is just accenting at this point) on the 13 and then cross on the floor and the snare. I just bring my left over on the off beats and my right takes care of the downbeats (I'll cross back over the left at that point). I'll do it in a duple or triple fill...havn't tried a 5 or 7 yet...hmmmm? Cool- I think I will now...thanks dude.
One may apply this "technique" to schmaltz sections on the cymbals as well, make sure you have both feet going on the bd pedals LOL.
I think I might like to work up of a hip crossed fill for an opener tune we are working on...so that is my philosophy if anyone is interested. Kinda cheesy but seems to impress people once inna while- I don't know.
Since I have pretty long arms (cause you are into the arms now) I do ok with it I suppose. It gets challenging the faster one goes (duh!) but you would be surprised, with a little practice you can really get some speed generated. It's a fun technique...don't buy any books, just do it and keep your meter internalized...experiment-use the Force. And seriously, be careful...your fulcrums will start smoking if you are doing it right.
use the Force Luke- funny
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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2002, 11:11 AM » |
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Two questions: 1) What is the commonly accepted name for the technique described below. 2) Does anyone have any advice about how to do this or how the drums should be set up to facilitate it? Are there any good description/lessons available on-line?
What I'm calling "cross-sticking" is crossing one hand over the other while playing. For example, if t=tom, f=floor tom and s=snare, and the triplet pattern "tsf tsf" is played "rlr lrl", I end up with with a mess. When you said "cross-sticking" I thought you were talking about a cross-stick rim click, which is entirely different from cross-overs, which is what I call what I think you're referring to. I'm not very good at it, either. I almost always avoid fills that require a lot of that kind of action. If I were dead serious about getting it up to speed, I think I'd focus two things: stick heights and bead placement. I'd practice slowly, concentrating on doing the same things everytime, especially getting a good stroke on each drum. I think the tendency is to swipe rather than stroke on cross-overs, so I would work hard on good stroke technique in the middle of the head. :::shrug::: Does that help? |
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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2002, 02:50 PM » |
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Passeist -it might sound a bit extreme (does to me at least) but Ron Spagnardi of Modern Drummer actually published a book on the topic. It's called, "Cross Sticking Studies Exercises for Moving Around the Drumset." Much the same...I was surprised to find out from Bartman's post that someone published a book on stick twirling. Five chapters?? Hard to believe. These people must have loads more imagination than I do!  |
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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2002, 10:36 PM » |
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Well, you beat me to it ......... yes, there is a book on cross sticking or cross-overs; I think there is another book besides Ron's.
To me, cross-overs are just for looks most of the time, although using them does provide power to the stroke ... rather than having to substitute the move for a double stroke going from one drum to another.
I had to work on cross-overs a lot while I was in college. There's a lot of percussion literature written for timpani, drumset, and multi-percussion that require the use of cross-overs. Quad players in marching bands or drum corps use the same technique too.
Executing this stuff just requires slow practice, that's all. Basically the trick is figuring out which way you are going to go .... under or over the previous stroke. You have to lift or tuck your arm to allow the other arm to across or under. Once you work out the motion you plan to use, slow practice will develop the fluidity needed to execute the passage at a brisk tempo.
I don't know if he was the first to use it, but Gene Krupa did a lot of cross-overs ... especially in his solos. He was such a show boat that it's not surprising to know he used the technique.
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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2002, 05:01 AM » |
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Could someone post some more sticking patterns to try on cross overs? I was inspired to give this a shot last night and it was a blast. Also, what would the 5 and 7 look like? This technique seems to have endless possibilities...
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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2002, 07:27 AM » |
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NO- tell us what you come up with...it's good for your noodle. Learn your 5's and 7's before crossing them...if you can't play the group straight you aint' gonna play one crossed.
I did cross some 5's yesterday...definitely goes against the grain...don't know if I want to expand on this idea.
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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2002, 12:55 PM » |
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The reason I'm interested in cross -overs is that, when improvising, I keep painting myself into a corner. A quick cross-over would get me out of a lot of predicaments.
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2002, 04:52 AM » |
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Call me a wuss, but I try to change the sticking pattern instead of crossing over. I end up hitting rims, cymbals, cowbell, my other stick, which usually takes away from what I'm trying to do. You could also call me under-developed, heavy-handed, un-balanced, . . . (but doing so would take away from my precious self-image)
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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2002, 03:54 PM » |
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One trick you can use is kind of an exercise, and also doubles as a check to see your kit is set up ok. Try playing slow single strokes, moving your hands in a circular motion, so you're going from snare to tom to floor tom, or something like that. Each hand has to be on a different drum at all times. Just keep trying to go in circles until you get used to it. Then, reverse the direction, and do it again.
If you do this every time you sit down, you will get more comfortable with cross sticking. It's also a way to check that you're set up to play comfortably. If you're set up so you can't do this, it may be a good idea to adjust things until you can. Being able to reach everything easily with either hand is real important.
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