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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2008, 03:22 AM »

The isolation of the parts that Gadd demonstrated was the breakthrough for me.
Listening to the audio rather scared me, as would seeing a transcription. But I admit that's my fault, not the fault of the educators.

I originally learned the correct sticking/footwork from a transcription, but like Chris I tend to learn a lot from watching things done. Seeing them done provides an insight into some of the subtleties of the part that can't be expressed as well in notation. Things like small dynamic changes through the bar, internal dynamics (sound levels), the emotional mood, and even sometimes the body language of the player reveal so much about the part.

For instance, you pointed out the volume Steve played at. That's something that can be expressed by dynamic markings to some degree, but those are often relative. Really important elements like the articulation of the two BD 16th notes on the "a" of 2 and on 3 aren't usually notated. Those are played bi-BOOM. Play them as BOOM-BOOM and the pattern loses its swing. In this video we don't get to see his feet, but elsewhere we can see the technique he uses on the foot pedal to get that "bi-Boom" articulation. Those small details are the real nitty-gritty of Gadd's style.

Watch how his body sways into 3 - perfectly expressing the rise and fall/tension and release of the groove. It's like we breathe in on 4...1...2...and out on 3. Rest and breathe in again. Beautiful.

Anyway, here's another video of Gadd recently added to Youtube. Part way through there is another example of Gadd playing open-handed linear parts and generating a killer funk groove.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/jSssS67uXOQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/jSssS67uXOQ</a>

Youtube can be a really great thing.
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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2008, 06:30 AM »

This video (in glorious stereophonic technicolour) has been on Drummerworld's "clinic" section for some time, along with its transcription (which Bart has unsurprisingly nailed earlier in the thread):

http://www.drummerworld.com/Drumclinic/stevegadd50ways.html

If you've never checked this section of Bernard's site, do so: there is much treasure to be found.
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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2008, 06:35 AM »

My friend just bought a super cherry set of Black Yamaha Rc's for 500 bucks.  DAWG.

There is like no way I'll ever play like Gadd.  We are stylistcally too far apart, but it's cool to watch these videos.  That left hand of his just kills!  I mean I can fake it but there is NO WAY LOL.

Is that Will Lee on bass?  Whatta classic.
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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2008, 06:37 AM »


If you've never checked this section of Bernard's site, do so: there is much treasure to be found.


They are so slow to upload I usually give up.  Undecided
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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2008, 07:17 AM »

Coupla  echoes of recent posts:

1. Yeah - the left hand is amazing.  Just about anyone can probably
    learn from watching how he applies his left hand.

2. He plays with his entire body.  Every muscle and breath is tied to the play.
   Very cool.

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« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2008, 01:18 PM »

Frank, type in "Steve Gadd" in YouTube and watch away. 

Or, go to Drummerworld.  From there, select Videos at the top.  Scroll down to Gadd and go from there. 

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« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2008, 05:48 PM »

I may never fully recover from this exploration.  Smiley

I have spent a Great Deal of time playing this today.   Having a Ton of Fun with it.
Technically, it's rather simple.  Any of the unduplicatable secret sauce comes from Steve's heart.    Smiley    You just can't fake the secret sauce.    Smiley    I doubt I'm copping any of that.  Smiley

I'm going to have to pursue meeting Steve.  I have a sorta kinda connection to a key member of the Paul Simon band - via a colleague of my wife.    When I asked my wife - so, tell me, what drummer does so-and-so play with these days,  I got the dopey answer: "Oh, some Steve somebody.  Steve Gadd or something like that."   

I'm gonna have to find a way to shake his hand someday, before I have to check out myself.

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« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2008, 12:23 AM »

A vital part of the "swing" to the 50 Ways groove, as heard on the Paul Simon recording, is the tambourine played on the "ands" of every beat.  It really adds forward momentum to the riff.  Then on the chorus ("you just slip out the back, Jack...") the tamb switches to the downbeats which sets up Gadd's cool off beat hi-hats stuff.

Check it out:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/TvZHNBOkNA8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/TvZHNBOkNA8</a>
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« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2008, 04:46 PM »

If you are looking for more Gadd stuff ... I've added more videos to the Drummer Cafe including footage from the recent Steve Gadd - Master Series. The footage was shot during Steve's "Mission From Gadd" clinic tour.
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« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2008, 05:08 PM »

And it's also worth reminding you that Gadd features more than once on Mr Acrolite's guide to 'Grooves Of Doom':
http://www.keithcronin.com/groovedoom.html
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« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2008, 08:20 PM »

The notation for "50 Ways ..." in Rick Latham's book Advanced Funk Studies is completely wrong ... at least as Gadd actually played it.  I do believe this erroneous notation was fixed/corrected in Rick's revision of the book by the same title, but I haven't seen this to confirm that.

Oddly, Latham's transcription of Gadd's playing on Chick Corea's The Leprechaun was very accurate. More difficult parts in the same style of playing!
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