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« on: April 19, 2008, 10:06 PM »

Hello All,

I'm pretty new to drummering and I not sure where to start on practicing.  I see there are ton things to consider, Rudiments, independence, sticking, reading, different groves, etc. 

Since I'm 37 and just starting I realize I won't being playing any major venues and I'm fine with that.  I just want to be able to hold my own while jamming with friends and family, and maybe a bar gig once or twice in this life time.

I find my biggest challenge is that I over analyze everything, including the music which makes it hard for me to find a groove or even to listen to music on the radio and hear the drums.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2008, 11:43 PM »

Having a teacher is my recommendation. They will also help to set your agenda.

As for specifics, I would first concentrate on some basics like grip, posture and simple rudiments (single strokes and doubles). Fairly quickly you can get involved in exploring very simple grooves.
The amazing thing about simple grooves is they are immediately applicable to a large selection of music. So, it's a fast route to ensemble playing, which can be more fun than woodshedding on your own.


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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2008, 05:49 AM »

Hi.  What Chris said- practice your rudiments and rock grooves, although some people might suggest studying jazz independence first.  Get a drum machine and headphones now if you don't already have these things.

Definitely get a teacher to help you put things together and definitely learn your subdivisions and basic reading/note values.

With today's brilliant supply of dvd's and supplements, you have a chance to meet alot of your goals at an accelerated pace!  But really, there are no back doors so practice as much as you can- okay?   Wink  Enjoy the journey!  OH that reminds me, I have to go practice now.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2008, 06:59 PM »

Having and using a metronome is pretty much necessary.  One of my band mates recently asked me if I'd been practicing much lately.  I had but was not using the metronome for over a month.  They all noticed a positive difference after one week of applying the metronome to my practice sessions. 
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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2008, 08:01 PM »

These are good responses. In addition to the other advice, no matter what you do, try and develop ALL limbs equally. Make sure your feet have coordination as well as your hands. This is very important to set players. Also, try for easier beat. There can be a lot of satisfaction in accomplishing a technically easier beat, because the more simplified the beat, the wider span of music it can accompany.
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2008, 11:25 AM »

All of the previous responses give valid and helpful information.

However, your biggest hurdle might be that you "over analyze everything".

I have taught drums for twenty years now and attempted to help many students in your situation. First of all, you need to cut yourself some slack. Relax, enjoy the process, take baby steps, and you will gradually gain confidence.

Taking lessons will be helpful, because your drum teacher will help you manage this process.

Keep jammin'!

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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2008, 12:00 PM »

It might be helpful to learn HOW to practice ... which will then help you set goals and determine what you need/want to practice.

Read my article for starters: The Fine Art of Practice.

There are a lot of resources I've provided for everyone, right here at the Drummer Cafe. Look under the EDUCATION section for Articles and Lessons on a variety of topics, much of which covers the basics you'll want to develop in your playing. There's also the RESOURCES section which as video, audio and PDF documents you can download, including hand/foot exercises that you can incorporate into your practice time.

Read the article on practicing and from there you can begin structuring your practice time in such a way that you learn, grow and have fun in the process.
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2008, 01:10 PM »

I heartily recommend that you order Jojo Mayer's Secret Weapons for the Modern Drummer DVD through the Drummer Cafe Amazon portal.  This is the DVD resource for developing hand technique. It's not just for advanced players. This DVD is simply amazing.
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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2008, 10:13 PM »

bart's nailed it on the head--take a step back and get a sense of what it is that you want to accomplish w/ practicing, and an idea of how to practice that works for you.  some people work great at lots of 15-minute spurts during the day; some, marathon 8-hour sessions which are a bit unfeasible in the real world.

my $.002-- practice making things feel good.  there's rarely a time that kick-snare-kick-snare or your basic swing beat simply WON'T work (emphasis on rarely-- not never).  if you can rock out to something like "kashmir' and "take the A train" confidently and make them groove... then tbh you're a full length ahead of a lot of drummers i know.

all kidding aside, you're not a kid and you don't need to be force fed inverted paraddidles and swiss triplets to be a 'drummer.'  all you need to do is play drums, and make them work in the context you're in.  If you wanna play mustang sally with a band, practice mustang sally.  if you wanna play mustang sally and change direction in a fill-- practice paraddidles.

i think you'll find the most joy by getting a balance of constantly asking yourself what skills you need to make X work better (make your over-analyzing work for youself), and just rocking the **** out.  bring it on!
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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2008, 09:42 AM »

bart's nailed it on the head--take a step back and get a sense of what it is that you want to accomplish w/ practicing, and an idea of how to practice that works for you.  some people work great at lots of 15-minute spurts during the day; some, marathon 8-hour sessions which are a bit unfeasible in the real world.

my $.002-- practice making things feel good.  there's rarely a time that kick-snare-kick-snare or your basic swing beat simply WON'T work (emphasis on rarely-- not never).  if you can rock out to something like "kashmir' and "take the A train" confidently and make them groove... then tbh you're a full length ahead of a lot of drummers i know.

all kidding aside, you're not a kid and you don't need to be force fed inverted paraddidles and swiss triplets to be a 'drummer.'  all you need to do is play drums, and make them work in the context you're in.  If you wanna play mustang sally with a band, practice mustang sally.  if you wanna play mustang sally and change direction in a fill-- practice paraddidles.

i think you'll find the most joy by getting a balance of constantly asking yourself what skills you need to make X work better (make your over-analyzing work for youself), and just rocking the **** out.  bring it on!


This is a good post, and reminds me of a student I had recently. 

I had a woman, in her mid-30s, contact me for drum lessons.  She had no music background, had never picked up a pair of sticks in her life and wanted to learn how to play the drumset.  She went to Guitar Center one day, and bought a small, entry level kit.  When we first got together, it was mostly talking about what she wanted to do, her goals, why she wanted lessons, etc.  Bottom-line, she just wanted to be able to play along with a friend of hers who played acoustic guitar and sang.  So from that day forward, we structured lessons around that particular goal, and eventually brought the friend in to play along during the lessons and I would give her ideas on what to play and critique her on her own playing ideas.  Less than two months after she had started with me, she and her friend played their first gig and she did great.  She did it with a snare, hi-hat and ride and incorporated both sticks and brushes. 

Now, she's ready to start studying things like rudiments, independence, reading, etc.  She'll continue to play gigs and play along to songs, continuing to build her vocabulary by doing that, and now, also via the more in depth study with me. 

It just goes to show that there is no formula to learning something and the best place to start is by TRULY figuring out what your goal(s) are.  The smaller, more specific you can get, the better.  The key is to not overwhelm yourself with too many goals, or too many LONG term goals.  I think this applies to everyone, regardless of what level you are at, but even more so to a beginner. 

In general, as an adult beginner student, you have the luxury of knowing better how to assess goals and how/when to recognize desire and discipline and many other elements that are more difficult to assess and recognize when one is younger---especially the concept of being "realistic".  Smiley

bobmc859 -- I would suggest starting by assessing your goals.  You've already said you wanted to be able to jam with friends, etc., so maybe narrow the goal down to specific songs or better yet, a specific song.  Take it slow and steady, and try not to put so much pressure on yourself.  Smiley 
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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2008, 01:11 PM »

This is a good post, and reminds me of a student I had recently. 

I had a woman, in her mid-30s, contact me for drum lessons.  She had no music background, had never picked up a pair of sticks in her life and wanted to learn how to play the drumset.  She went to Guitar Center one day, and bought a small, entry level kit.  When we first got together, it was mostly talking about what she wanted to do, her goals, why she wanted lessons, etc.  Bottom-line, she just wanted to be able to play along with a friend of hers who played acoustic guitar and sang.  So from that day forward, we structured lessons around that particular goal, and eventually brought the friend in to play along during the lessons and I would give her ideas on what to play and critique her on her own playing ideas.  Less than two months after she had started with me, she and her friend played their first gig and she did great.  She did it with a snare, hi-hat and ride and incorporated both sticks and brushes. 

Now, she's ready to start studying things like rudiments, independence, reading, etc.  She'll continue to play gigs and play along to songs, continuing to build her vocabulary by doing that, and now, also via the more in depth study with me. 

It just goes to show that there is no formula to learning something and the best place to start is by TRULY figuring out what your goal(s) are.  The smaller, more specific you can get, the better.  The key is to not overwhelm yourself with too many goals, or too many LONG term goals.  I think this applies to everyone, regardless of what level you are at, but even more so to a beginner. 

In general, as an adult beginner student, you have the luxury of knowing better how to assess goals and how/when to recognize desire and discipline and many other elements that are more difficult to assess and recognize when one is younger---especially the concept of being "realistic".  Smiley

bobmc859 -- I would suggest starting by assessing your goals.  You've already said you wanted to be able to jam with friends, etc., so maybe narrow the goal down to specific songs or better yet, a specific song.  Take it slow and steady, and try not to put so much pressure on yourself.  Smiley 

Best post on teaching and learning I have read in a long time.

She was fortunate to find you for a teacher.
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